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As connected as it may be, inverse laws override standard wiki rules. If in the hoyoverse spatial manipulation doesn't give you temporal manipulation, the wiki has to abide by that when talking about the verse.
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Raiden Shogun Second Story Quest additions
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https://i.imgur.com/cUS09wC_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
Your scans literally treated time as a dimension as well mentioning other dimensions in the process.
Why would Nagamitsu specifically somehow exclude spatial dimensions and then treated a time as dimension.
Remember space is 3 dimensional usually.
To go beyond that, you have to include time and other dimensions.
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Also claiming inverse laws override certain wiki assumptions isn’t valid in this case given how those scans actually reinforce those points considerably.
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You missed the entire point of that. The Hoyoverse has 11 spatial dimensions and a single temporal dimensions so far. That scan just says that the temporal dimension (like spatial ones) also has energy restrictions, nothing more nothing less.https://i.imgur.com/cUS09wC_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
Your scans literally treated time as a dimension as well mentioning other dimensions in the process.
Why would Nagamitsu specifically somehow exclude spatial dimensions and then treated a time as dimension.
Remember space is 3 dimensional usually.
To go beyond that, you have to include time and other dimensions.
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They neither support nor deny them.
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I don’t think as it only supports the high dimensional manipulation page to begin with.
Our tiering system accounts for both temporal and spatial dimensions in Tier 2 and higher thanks to multiverse theories like the super string theory and so on.
Anyway, we getting off topic here as you need another high dimensional expert here to discuss this elsewhere.
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What was even your point again? You were talking about completely unrelated things and asking about thinks that have basically no relation to this conversation.
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My point was time manipulation will normally included spatial manipulation since space time is connected to one another.
Also in relations to the verse mentioning it require higher dimensional manipulation to manipulate time doesn’t exactly mean much in that one verse to another.
Edit: The wiki will counts it as both spatial and time manipulation anyway in the form of a pocket dimension or on larger scale.
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Again, the wiki itself says that it's only most of the time. However, not in all cases. Without direct proof of either spatial or temporal manipulation neither can be granted. Besides, the wiki only accepts these abilities if they're displayed, showing a character manipulate space does not give them time manipulation on the wiki.
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also as shown above. To manipulate time using brute force (given the fact that Genshin characters literally never displayed Higher Dimensional hax) would require the user to have enough energy to burn the entire universe (which is what Otto was planning on doing)
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That I am aware of. You should know I am already aware of this since there are examples where it isn’t completely the case anyway.
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If there is currently no issue with the Time Manipulation, then I would like discuss this a bit more.
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Why did this suddenly turn into an argument about Time Manipulation, Dimensional Manipulation and Honkai Impact
You make a good point
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Honkai Impact 3rd and Honkai Gakuen 2 are in the same multiverse as Genshin Impact, think the Fate/series.
Honkai Impact 3rd established rules around how Time Manipulation works and why you need to have Higher Dimensional hax to do it. It was brought up because Limited Time Manip was suggested for Makoto iirc, and I brought up that it's probably not Time manip given the requirements for Time Manip and the fact that it's unclear whether or not the rate of passage of time fluctuated post creation of the Consciousness Plane
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wasn't the only connection is that there is a image in honkai where in a screen there is a Dvalin-looking dragon in one of the monitor screens
was there any other confirmation and implication of it being in the same multiverse?
was there any other confirmation and implication of it being in the same multiverse?
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Yes, it's been confirmed by Cai Haoyu (co-founder of miHoYo, president and chairman) in a Developer Meeting last year that all three games (at that time) Honkai Gakuen 2, Honkai Impact and Genshin Impact are all a part of the Honkaiverse Multiverse
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that should be noted then on the genshin impact verse page. with the developer meeting recording if it has one
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Yeah it's recorded, I have it iirc on my pc so :teriderp: its ez to find
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Someone updated the page but didn’t acknowledge the fact that Ei's 500 year battle was in here. AKA, physical stamina meant nothing and she "only" needed to focus on fighting with her full power for 500 years.
If more proof is required I request you look into what happens if you run out of HP with Ei then.
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To be fair, it was in Raiden Makoto's Realm of Consciousness, not Ei's, and we've seen that the traveler needed to physically be there to actually reach out to Ei. There's talk about abstract nature and whatnot, but the Realm of Consciousness, specifically Makoto's, does seem to be a physical place, it's not merely happening in anyone's mind, but seems to act more like a subspace created by consciousness that's embedded in space-time.
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Does it matter? The Traveler physically being there is the same as with Ei's and it does work the same, right?
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I mean if you're arguing for Raiden's 500 year stamina not working because it's "all in someone's mind" doesn't really reflect the intricacies of the subspace itself. Consider Yae's comment from the teapot:
I don't think it's really a "realm of consciousness" in the sense that it only exists in their minds but it is instead, a method of creating physical space from the consciousness, something which Yae, Ei, and Makoto are all capable of. Now one could argue that given it's a physical constructed by the imagination, Ei could simply have given herself infinite stamina hence why I specified it's Raiden Makoto's space, as it is still a physical but neutral space wherein Ei would need to be there and fight physically without help from her consciousness. The fact that it takes place in the Realm of Consciousness should have no bearing on the feats of her body.
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All I mean is that mental stamina=/=physical stamina.
Where is it being a physical space mentioned outside of the numerous mentions that it's a realm of consciousness? Serious question.
There's also that you mentioning her not having "help from her consciousness" doesn't make sense to me when... the consciousness is what's doing the fighting.
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There are no mentions of it being a physical space but presuming the space to be purely mental due to it being called the Realm of Consciousness is presumptive in my opinion, especially given it's never explicitly said whether one's consciousness is needed to be transferred to access it. It is a space influenced by one's consciousness but that doesn't necessarily mean the feats performed in it are purely mental as well.
Because the place clearly has a place amidst chaos and time and space, and the game never really says that Ei had to access it via her consciousness, merely that she stores her consciousness in a physical object to make it easier to access.
I just think it's too far to presume that the space is purely her consciousness and that all feats achieved in are mental. It is a space influenced and constructed by her consciousness but I think it's physical ultimately, because its nature doesn't have anything to suggest that whatever happens there is purely mental.
Because the place clearly has a place amidst chaos and time and space, and the game never really says that Ei had to access it via her consciousness, merely that she stores her consciousness in a physical object to make it easier to access.
I just think it's too far to presume that the space is purely her consciousness and that all feats achieved in are mental. It is a space influenced and constructed by her consciousness but I think it's physical ultimately, because its nature doesn't have anything to suggest that whatever happens there is purely mental.
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The exact nature of realms of consciousness isn't really the topic of this thread since they are covered by Pocket Reality Manipulation either way and Ei would still get Mind Manipulation for having entering Makoto's mind according to her. It also wouldn't change anything about the Self-Healing via willpower inside of a realm of consciousness and the Limited Time Manipulation since these are rather explicitly tied to the location.
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Regardless, I'll rescind any arguments I have and agree mostly with what's proposed
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@Confluctor Sorry for bothering you but this thread really needs some input from a staff member that isn't me and you are the only other staff member who participated so far. Is the current version of the OP fine to apply?
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Yeah that seems fine to me
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I am not sure what matches she have, but it's always good to remove older ones anyway. But I can have a quick look for some of them
In any case, the profile looks good to me now that references are added. Good job on that.
In any case, the profile looks good to me now that references are added. Good job on that.
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Okay.
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These two could potentially be removed. Seems a bit outdated. The first got FRA trained hard, so that too lol. But yeah, IMO these two could be removed since she got a lot more stuff since then
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Okay, I'll wait and see if others have something to say about this.
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