I wouldn't mind that.
so instead of regeneration, it would just be creation. I think that is fair enough.
I guess? Does anyone else have something to say about this?
Regeneration is something passive and this would presumably be something that Ei would actively do in response to the Raiden Shogun getting destroyed not something that would happen automatically.
Ei gave up her original body and currently makes use of the Raiden Shogun's body if she needs to go outside of her plane.
Just gotta put my claim in this. I think the case with "Time Manipulation" is extremely iffy, the main reason being Yae Miko's explanation regarding how "chaotic" the space and time were, and how the Traveler could have swept away to an unknown point in space-time if they wouldn't succeed. Although Makoto said it wasn't really a coincidence for the Traveler to end at the point of time within the realm- where Ei has fought countless times against her 'Puppet' that is, it was Makoto's doing in the best assumable scenario, not Ei's.
Makoto organized the whole having the Sacred Sakura grow in the past thing but I don't know of any evidence of her being the cause of Ei and the Raiden Shogun being able to fight for 500 years while only a short time passed on the outside outside of it happening in her preserved realm of consciousness. She also stated that she couldn't tell how much time passed since she couldn't perceive time in that form, so I doubt that she would be able to do that deliberately even if she had access to a Time Manipulation ability that would allow her to affect the flow of time. Also, the only time Makoto addresses the Traveler and Paimon is when she speaks of those who have come to bear witness. The Raiden Shogun brought up the idea that the Traveler and Paimon arriving at that point was "an inevitability of fate".
Wasn’t there something about how Makoto needed help from another goddess for that?
Yeah, apparently the God of Time helped her with planting the Sacred Sakura in the past though we don't have an outright confirmation since Ei and Miko merely speculated about it since they don't think that Makoto could have done that on her own.
Here's the thing, Time Manipulation outside of Pocket Realities is impossible within the HoYoVerse. It's already been established as a fact that you can't manipulate time unless you have Herrscher Hax which allow you to manipulate higher dimensions to induce fractions in the time dimension, which at best is just the Global Time Fracture skill that Herrschers have. So the only two ways of manipulating time on that scale would be to either Makoto have Higher Dimensional hax or for her to somehow be a Herrscher.
wait this is slightly untrue. You can technically brute force it like how False God Otto was going to. By that I mean you can technically "manipulate" time by doing other things. E.g. False God Otto was going to burn the universe (except for the city of Kolostern) across 500 years to rewind time 500 years
I don't know much about the Honkai Impact stuff, so don't expect me to understand much outside of the fact that it relates to Honkai Impact. What I know for sure is that there was a distortion in the flow of time that made it so that 500 years passed for Ei and the Raiden Shogun while the Traveler and Paimon got help from Miko.
It's likely the laws of the Pocket Dimension doing that. As I said, pocket realities can adjust their own flow of time and rate since they are seperate from the main worlds. However Manipulating Time on a large scale or changing the direction of time/flow of it once it's set requires Higher Dimensional Hax
That's Makoto's preserved realm of consciousness though and both Ei and the Raiden Shogun were unaware of the time distortion during the 500 years they spent there. If I had to guess, I'd say that it's a combination of the location's nature and the battle that caused this. Since it depends on really specific circumstances and isn't really of much use but is still something that Ei and the Raiden Shogun technically have access to it would be Limited Time Manipulation.
hhhhhhh wht are the exact details of what happened
500 years before the beginning of the fight between Ei and the Raiden Shogun Ei's sister Makoto died and Ei decided to preserve Makoto's realm of consciousness and she also created the Raiden Shogun which would serve as her body as a way to ward off erosion at around that time. Ei and the Raiden Shogun began to fight due to Ei's mindset changing and the Raiden Shogun being designed to make sure that the rules that Ei designed for it shortly after her sister's death are upheld. This fight had to happen in a realm of consciousness where they could appear separately from each other and Ei forcibly send the Traveler and Paimon to the outside after the situation was explained to them. The Traveler and Paimon got help from Yae Miko who noticed that the space-time around Makoto's realm of consciousness was chaotic and after they got back to Makoto's realm of consciousness it turned out that 500 years have passed there with Ei and the Raiden Shogun having had no idea that much less time passed outside of the realm.
Hm. According to cosomology the best explanation I have is that the Pocket Dimension was already effectievly slower on the inside than outside, i.e. time passed slower inside while it took longer outside. Since either of them directly manipulating time would require them having Higher Dimensional Hax to even do anything to the Time Dimension itself. So it probably doesn't count as a Time Manip ability
I feel like as if Ei would have known about that in advance if that was the case since she was the one who preserved that realm of consciousness and is clearly very familiar with realms of consciousness since she spent 500 years in her own realm of consciousness, the Plane of Euthymia. Either way it's something that she theoretically has access to. Also, the pocket dimension would have had a faster flow of time and not a slower one inside of it since more time passed there than on the outside.
Ye faster, lapsus.
I've already said earlier that I wouldn't know about the context provided by Honkai Impact. What I do know is what was shown and stated in Genshin Impact. Ei's Plane of Euthymia doesn't appear to have a flow of time that differs from the outside and Makoto's realm of consciousness is supposed to be of the same nature as the Plane of Euthymia and Ei was completely unaware of the difference in the passage of time during the 500 years she spent fighting the Raiden Shogun.
The Time Manipulation that is being proposed in the OP is limited and isn't really good for practical applications unless you take the Time Stop into consideration.
Not necessarily. Manipulating time itself doesn’t necessarily have to involve higher dimensions at all.
In-verse you have to be able to manipulate Higher Dimensions.
The CEO confirmed that it's a part of the Honkaiverse a while back on some Developer Conferance. There's videos of it.
Which in this case, it is both spatial and temporal manipulation. Not just solely time manipulation for that matter though.
A few years ago is a few years ago, recent chapters elaborated on why time manipulation alone requires higher dimensional manipulation. Whether Spatial manipulation was used doesn't matter. Any sort of Time Manipulation requires inherent Manipulation of Higher Dimensions.
That isn’t completely true as even the wiki mentioned this here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Time_Manipulation
That doesn't matter, because in-verse laws override this. Regardless of what the wiki standard is, if the verse disagrees, the wiki has to follow those rules in scaling of that verse
also idk if you noticed but it says "many users can also" not "they all can"
That is true, but even then we get to higher dimensional dimension, it does mention both spatial and temporal dimensions:
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