[R2M4] Venefica's Tier 7 Tourney: Haruka vs Cinner

[VeneficaAuthor]

I skimmed the replies and I don’t think I’ve seen rayfire mention the million streak thing just yet

 

[Rayfire]

I skimmed the replies and I don’t think I’ve seen rayfire mention the million streak thing just yet

Well, haruka dodging that is another acrobatics/skill feat (Though the name of the skill is an exaggeration, it's actually hundreds, but weaving between those is no joke, as i've described repeatedly for haruka, which is also why her Reactive evolution, as i've already said a bajillion times, can allow her to match or surpass cinner. I know i didn't bring it up before, but that's because haruka's profile isn't stuffed into my head and memorised off by heart, lol)

 

[Rayfire]

That’s a different application of intelligence though. You can’t take playing the piano to clubbing a golf ball over a mountain. That’s basically the amount of different situation this is, she already tried Void of Despair too and she didn’t deduce him breaking out of it. Shes not getting a hint.

Funnily enough, haruka wasn't all that surprised when she saw shizu break out, out of all people. (Vol 1 Chap 7) She only tried that to get shizu to go all out. That was part of her plan to trick shizu into thinking she's winning. And Sheer deduction abilities can apply to a lot of things, not just figuring out someones worst fears at glance. The piano analogy would be for, like, if haruka suddenly got her magic taken away from her and had to learn a whole new system or smth. This is another reason why haruka is listed as genius. Info analysis isn't an ability like a scan. she does it through raw intelligence.

 

[Rayfire]

Profile says verbatim His heat aura condensing lets his attacks get up to 50000 degrees Fahrenheit

I was about to point that wasn't as hot as lightning, but i looked it up again and it is, lol

Still, haruka tanked that kind of heat no problem before, and she has partial heat resistance on top of that, so it still wouldn't bother her much, if at all.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Funnily enough, haruka wasn't all that surprised when she saw shizu break out, out of all people. (Vol 1 Chap 7) She only tried that to get shizu to go all out. That was part of her plan to trick shizu into thinking she's winning. And Sheer deduction abilities can apply to a lot of things, not just figuring out someones worst fears at glance. The piano analogy would be for, like, if haruka suddenly got her magic taken away from her and had to learn a whole new system or smth. This is another reason why haruka is listed as genius. Info analysis isn't an ability like a scan. she does it through raw intelligence.

But neither of the power systems Cinner uses exists in Bakuhatsu, so she is having to try and learn a new power system mid fight. As for the acrobatics feat, Cinner doesn’t have anything exactly like that besides reacting to bomb explosions but he has his rapid movement like I’ve said plus he still has his superior prediction and skill to throw Haruka off her A game.

I was about to point that wasn't as hot as lightning, but i looked it up again and it is, lol

Still, haruka tanked that kind of heat no problem before, and she has partial heat resistance on top of that, so it still wouldn't bother her much, if at all.

Right, she’d have to be enveloped in his aura for a while, but of course people resisting his heat isn’t exactly new to Cinner so it’s whatever. I do wonder if Cinner’s aura could absorb her darkness magic like it did Rinser’s water but I’m not sure if the removal of light would make a fire grow.

 

[Rayfire]

But neither of the power systems Cinner uses exists in Bakuhatsu, so she is having to try and learn a new power system mid fight. As for the acrobatics feat, Cinner doesn’t have anything exactly like that besides reacting to bomb explosions but he has his rapid movement like I’ve said plus he still has his superior prediction and skill to throw Haruka off her A game.

Who says she has to learn the whole system to do anything? That's not how it works in VS threads, either. She just needs to know that the staff is his source of power, AKA, the thing he can't live without or use his power with, and nullify it. Which, as i've already explained a million times, isn't far-fetched for haruka to pull off with her deduction capabilities. The smallest hint will give it away.

Right, she’d have to be enveloped in his aura for a while, but of course people resisting his heat isn’t exactly new to Cinner so it’s whatever. I do wonder if Cinner’s aura could absorb her darkness magic like it did Rinser’s water but I’m not sure if the removal of light would make a fire grow.

Light doesn't have anything to do with fire, so no, that wouldn't do anything. The aura would be disabled if haruka used nullify on the bonded item though (Unless it's a passive thing he emits from his own body?)

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Who says she has to learn the whole system to do anything? That's not how it works in VS threads, either. She just needs to know that the staff is his source of power, AKA, the thing he can't live without or use his power with, and nullify it. Which, as i've already explained a million times, isn't far-fetched for haruka to pull off with her deduction capabilities. The smallest hint will give it away.

I think minty is trying to say that he finds it hard to believe she could do it so fast given that no one like Cinner exists in Haruka’s verse

 

[MintyBoi1]

Who says she has to learn the whole system to do anything? That's not how it works in VS threads, either. She just needs to know that the staff is his source of power, AKA, the thing he can't live without or use his power with, and nullify it. Which, as i've already explained a million times, isn't far-fetched for haruka to pull off with her deduction capabilities. The smallest hint will give it away.

Light doesn't have anything to do with fire, so no, that wouldn't do anything. The aura would be disabled if haruka used nullify on the bonded item though (Unless it's a passive thing he emits from his own body?)

She has to at the very least learn the principles if her nullification of skills works like you say and she can’t turn off whole power systems. And once again, the staff isn’t the source of his power, it is a tool he is well acquainted with like me with my keyboard. I’m the one doing things, it’s the method. He’d still have Ki and the abilities associated with it without Lifeline plus his martial arts and acrobatics and Pure Form. And I want to know what this hint is, what tells her about this out of verse stuff?

Lifeline and Cinner’s aura are connected only in the way that Cinner uses them simultaneously

 

[Rayfire]

She has to at the very least learn the principles if her nullification of skills works like you say and she can’t turn off whole power systems. And once again, the staff isn’t the source of his power, it is a tool he is well acquainted with like me with my keyboard. I’m the one doing things, it’s the method. He’d still have Ki and the abilities associated with it without Lifeline plus his martial arts and acrobatics and Pure Form. And I want to know what this hint is, what tells her about this out of verse stuff?

Lifeline and Cinner’s aura are connected only in the way Cinner uses them simultaneously

Ah, Okay. Well, The Lifeforce itself is, though, isn't it? What happens if haruka nullifies that?

• Object Bond: Cinner is an Object Bond User having tied his life force and fighting spirit into Lifeline, enhancing it greatly, making it able to take attacks even he can’t and dish it out

We also can't forget the possibility of haruka destroying lifeline either. Once again, Reactive evolution will not only allow haruka to keep up in terms of skill, but also lets her get even more ahead in AP. Just because it's made out of metal doesn't mean haruka can't damage/break it. AoE Skills, far better range, adaptation, and superhuman precision could let her pull that off, soon or later as well.

 

[Rayfire]

I know Cinner's profile well, read his moves in numerous threats, and "fought" with his key2. Heat isn't something keeping itself at a small point, it spreads out, namely when Cinner has a heat aura around him. When you look at profiles you try arguing against, please read their other text as well, as you read their Weaknesses section

I do, but i still find it hard to believe haruka can't just exploit all the advantages she has and can get here. If this was apparantly such a "HUGE WASH IN CINNERS FAVOR!!!" Javen would have leaned cinner.

 

[Froggytron]

Ah, Okay. Well, The Lifeforce itself is, though, isn't it? What happens if haruka nullifies that?

• Object Bond: Cinner is an Object Bond User having tied his life force and fighting spirit into Lifeline, enhancing it greatly, making it able to take attacks even he can’t and dish it out

Just what is this repeated bullying of the Lifeline weapon seriously. I don't have to be a Cinner's author or expert to tell that the lifeline gets boosted by the spirit and life energy of Cinner, this isn't hard to understand like nuclear physics. Nullifying this would at best nerf the weapon, until the spirit energy rushes into it again, rendering the P.Null use on Lifeline the worst use possible, getting an advantage to Cinner instead.

We also can't forget the possibility of haruka destroying lifeline either. Once again, Reactive evolution will not only allow haruka to keep up in terms of skill, but also lets her get even more ahead in AP. Just because it's made out of metal doesn't mean haruka can't damage/break it. AoE Skills, far better range, adaptation, and superhuman precision could let her pull that off, soon or later as well.

Haruka doesn't seem to win in the endgame with this slow Recreative Evolution because she doesn't seem to last dealing with the heat for so long

 

[Rayfire]

Just what is this repeated bullying of the Lifeline weapon seriously. I don't have to be a Cinner's author or expert to tell that the lifeline gets boosted by the spirit and life energy of Cinner, this isn't hard to understand like nuclear physics. Nullifying this would at best nerf the weapon, until the spirit energy rushes into it again, rendering the P.Null use on Lifeline the worst use possible, getting an advantage to Cinner instead.

You clearly don't understand what nullify is. It outright disables abilities, which in this case, would be the lifeforce. It's not just a nerf.

Haruka doesn't seem to win in the endgame with this slow Recreative Evolution because she doesn't seem to last dealing with the heat for so long

I literally mentioned earlier that the reactive evolution only takes minutes, whilst cinner doesn't have anything nearly as close to that. Once again, i really don't think you've been reading what's been said. You've hardly even talked in this thread up until now.

 

[Froggytron]

I do, but i still find it hard to believe haruka can't just exploit all the advantages she has and can get here. If this was apparantly such a "HUGE WASH IN CINNERS FAVOR!!!" Javen would have leaned cinner.

Weaknesses: Can rush in without thinking if somebody “disturbs” her quiet environment for too long, Otherwise None Notable

Then again, once I look at her weaknesses instead, I can see a patient skilled expert in melee combat explaining her personality instead

 

[Rayfire]

Weaknesses: Can rush in without thinking if somebody “disturbs” her quiet environment for too long, Otherwise None Notable

Then again, once I look at her weaknesses instead, I can see a patient skilled expert in melee combat explaining her personality instead

I don't really see how that'd apply here, since she's already in a fight to begin with. That's for, like, super obnoxious or loud opponents. Cinner seems to get a lil excited, but nothing that'd truly annoy her.

 

[Froggytron]

You clearly don't understand what nullify is. It outright disables abilities, which in this case, would be the lifeforce. It's not just a nerf.

The life force of a character doesn't seem like something a power nullify could affect, then it turns into life manipulation instead.

I literally mentioned earlier that the reactive evolution only takes minutes, whilst cinner doesn't have anything nearly as close to that. Once again, i really don't think you've been reading what's been said. You've hardly even talked in this thread up until now.

Then again, having an outer sun layer with 4x larger temperature, meters away from you, seems to vaporize even sooner all without a crear fire resistance to that heat intensity

 

[Rayfire]

The life force of a character doesn't seem like something a power nullify could affect, then it turns into life manipulation instead.

It's made clear it's an ability an and of itself, especially since he can literally manipulate it like magic. I'm very confident it's something nullify would work on.

Then again, having an outer sun layer with 4x larger temperature, meters away from you, seems to vaporize even sooner all without a crear fire resistance to that heat intensity

Already explained this, but i will again. Haruka can shrug off the same heat that this key of cinner can dish out, and has partial heat resistance as part of partial elemental resistance on top of all that. It's hardly going to bother her.

 

[Froggytron]

I don't really see how that'd apply here, since she's already in a fight to begin with. That's for, like, super obnoxious or loud opponents. Cinner seems to get a lil excited, but nothing that'd truly annoy her.

Air Manipulation (His aura can pull people in like a Mushroom Cloud using nearby air)

A constantly created Mushroom Cloud (similar to the effect of a nuke impact) does seem just fit at that tho

 

[MintyBoi1]

Ah, Okay. Well, The Lifeforce itself is, though, isn't it? What happens if haruka nullifies that?

• Object Bond: Cinner is an Object Bond User having tied his life force and fighting spirit into Lifeline, enhancing it greatly, making it able to take attacks even he can’t and dish it out

We also can't forget the possibility of haruka destroying lifeline either. Once again, Reactive evolution will not only allow haruka to keep up in terms of skill, but also lets her get even more ahead in AP. Just because it's made out of metal doesn't mean haruka can't damage/break it. AoE Skills, far better range, adaptation, and superhuman precision could let her pull that off, soon or later as well.

Possibly but we’d need to know the timeframe for Haruka to upscale that much since Lifeline is already above Cinner who’s not that far behind Haruka. Sure she can grow in minutes but she still needs to grow by several times here before Cinner capitalizes and executes a successful hit for the brain damage win con. As for nullifying Cinner supplying the life force, that can weaken Lifeline like said but that won’t matter too much since she’s not too much stronger at first. Cinner has options for avoiding Haruka’s attacks if she tries playing the range game even with her precision. The AOE is fair but explosions have been shown to not shatter Lifeline so it’d still have to be far stronger.

 

[Rayfire]

Air Manipulation (His aura can pull people in like a Mushroom Cloud using nearby air)

A constantly created Mushroom Cloud (similar to the effect of a nuke impact) does seem just fit at that tho

There's nothing stopping haruka from shadow portalling away from it and it's range, She can fight well at a distance, not just up-close.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Wait now that I think how does this work because Lifeline being enhanced is a permanent thing. Can she turn off passives for example?

 

[Froggytron]

It's made clear it's an ability an and of itself, especially since he can literally manipulate it like magic. I'm very confident it's something nullify would work on.

Did Haruka in the story actually force someone to die by deleting their life force?

Haruka can shrug off the same heat that this key of cinner can dish out

I would be interested in seeing actual feats/events of this in the story

 

[MintyBoi1]

There's nothing stopping haruka from shadow portalling away from it and it's range, She can fight well at a distance, not just up-close.

Just to clarify we’re using Class T Haruka right meaning she has the LS to resist the air and go into her portal?

 

[Rayfire]

Possibly but we’d need to know the timeframe for Haruka to upscale that much since Lifeline is already above Cinner who’s not that far behind Haruka. Sure she can grow in minutes but she still needs to grow by several times here before Cinner capitalizes and executes a successful hit for the brain damage win con. As for nullifying Cinner supplying the life force, that can weaken Lifeline like said but that won’t matter too much since she’s not too much stronger at first. Cinner has options for avoiding Haruka’s attacks if she tries playing the range game even with her precision. The AOE is fair but explosions have been shown to not shatter Lifeline so it’d still have to be far stronger.

Already explained this...

The fact that metal crush requires a leap gives haruka warning time to dodge it. I Doubt she'd just stand and let herself get hit, and cinner can only do that if he's in her range.

Nullify doesn't have anything to do with strength. RE can also help her land a hit, even if it's still not guaranteed.

Wait now that I think how does this work because Lifeline being enhanced is a permanent thing. Can she turn off passives for example?

Depends on the passive, lol. If it's martial arts or sumthin, obviously not, so she's not just turning his skill into that of a couch-potato, but if it's something resembling a skill, yes.

 

[Rayfire]

Just to clarify we’re using Class T Haruka right meaning she has the LS to resist the air and go into her portal?

Well, considering it's given as 'likely', i'd guess so

 

[Rayfire]

I would be interested in seeing actual feats/events of this in the story

I obviously don't have the time to screenshot it, put it on imgur, and send it here, but she has tanked lightning attacks, which produce the same heat as cinners' aura.

Did Haruka in the story actually force someone to die by deleting their life force?

No Not yet at least But if haruka can disable life force (which i'm confident she can, since it behaves like some sort of magical property according to it's description, since cinner can manipulate it to his whim) then that could work

 

[MintyBoi1]

Already explained this...

The fact that metal crush requires a leap gives haruka warning time to dodge it. I Doubt she'd just stand and let herself get hit, and cinner can only do that if he's in her range.

Nullify doesn't have anything to do with strength. RE can also help her land a hit, even if it's still not guaranteed.

Depends on the passive, lol. If it's martial arts or sumthin, obviously not, so she's not just turning his skill into that of a couch-potato, but if it's something resembling a skill, yes.

Metal Crush isn’t the only damage dealer, Lightning Breaker which is much more sudden could serve well since she’d be getting hit with a spin and then a slam and the move leaves Cinner right behind the target to go for more. Shield Piercer would also do some hurt since he’s using added momentum to crash into you. And yeah RE but Cinner has his stuff too to catch her before then.

Not really sure if the bond can be referred to as a skill. You’re just putting yourself into your tool and making a commitment to enhance it like a Binding Vow. It’s the reason it’s less well known or used in verse. And it’s already been done so it’s technically not a skill currently being used which is what Nullify is for.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

This thread is making me realize that a bunch of V. Verse characters actually have giant heat resistance due to Alela’s lightning

 

[Javenplayz253]

This thread is making me realize that a bunch of V. Verse characters actually have giant heat resistance due to Alela’s lightning

YOUR NOT SUPPOSE TO REMEMBER THAT MEMORY FORGET RAY!

 

[Rayfire]

Metal Crush isn’t the only damage dealer, Lightning Breaker which is much more sudden could serve well since she’d be getting hit with a spin and then a slam and the move leaves Cinner right behind the target to go for more. Shield Piercer would also do some hurt since he’s using added momentum to crash into you. And yeah RE but Cinner has his stuff too to catch her before then.

That also requires him to get in close, and to somersault before he can actually deliver the blow, so haruka has warning time to dodge that too.

Healing magic can also heal bones (e.g bringing back limbs including their bones) so even if it did land, since there's no guarantee it'll do definitive or fight-ending brain damage, haruka can heal it.

Not really sure if the bond can be referred to as a skill. You’re just putting yourself into your tool and making a commitment to enhance it like a Binding Vow. It’s the reason it’s less well known or used in verse. And it’s already been done so it’s technically not a skill currently being used which is what Nullify is for.

Even if you don't think that'd work, that's not to say nullify still isn't useful here. Haruka could probably use it to stop the extensions, air manip if need be, etc. No matter which angle you look at it, it's still an advantage haruka can exploit, and would make winning easier.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Even if you don't think that'd work, that's not to say nullify still isn't useful here. Haruka could probably use it to stop the extensions, air manip if need be, etc. No matter which angle you look at it, it's still an advantage haruka can exploit, and would make winning easier.

It’s my understanding it only works for one skill at a time for 30 seconds at a time, so not sure how much help it’d actually be vs Cinner who has a lot of skills and endurance/stamina

 

[Rayfire]

It’s my understanding it only works for one skill at a time for 30 seconds at a time, so not sure how much help it’d actually be vs Cinner who has a lot of skills and endurance/stamina

I was moreso going off of the fact that if haruka disables the lifeforce, staff (Assuming it has magical properties) etc, that it would end up disabling most of his abilities as a result. I do find it strange why minty is trying to mention that it wouldn't work now, tho

 

[MintyBoi1]

That also requires him to get in close, and to somersault before he can actually deliver the blow, so haruka has warning time to dodge that too.

Healing magic can also heal bones (e.g bringing back limbs including their bones) so even if it did land, since there's no guarantee it'll do definitive or fight-ending brain damage, haruka can heal it.

Even if you don't think that'd work, that's not to say nullify still isn't useful here. Haruka could probably use it to stop the extensions, air manip if need be, etc. No matter which angle you look at it, it's still an advantage haruka can exploit, and would make winning easier.

Not really, bro still has several meters of range and he’s suddenly in the air like this (0:10). Haruka still has a melee option, am I to believe she never once tries to use her extended melee range scythe and just plays keepaway when Cinner is more than capable of staying in the game when she does?

Fair, but she’s still dealing with Cinner up close where he wants to be. You mentioned she can use multiple skills at once, so she could heal but I just don’t know how long it would last. Do any of her skills use stamina btw, Cinner’s don’t really since he’s just applying the energy already in his body and outputting it.

Yeah, if she uses it right it could help. Though the one at the time thing really holds her back, especially if she actually tries going for the bond at first. It seems the most she can get is Cinner’s extension which an easy damage tool and aura which means she’ll be in taking less heat. Helpful, but still Cinner has a deep bag to pull from until the nullification runs out and great instincts.

I was moreso going off of the fact that if haruka disables the lifeforce, staff (Assuming it has magical properties) etc, that it would end up disabling most of his abilities as a result. I do find it strange why minty is trying to mention that it wouldn't work now, tho

No magic, it’s its own thing. And it only disables the bond because Ki is its own system and where Cinner draws a lot of his stuff. And I’ve been saying I’m iffy on the nullification.

 

[Rayfire]

Not really, bro still has several meters of range and he’s suddenly in the air like this (0:10). Haruka still has a melee option, am I to believe she never once tries to use her extended melee range scythe and just plays keepaway when Cinner is more than capable of staying in the game when she does?

She did keep her distance in her fight with shizu at first, but she wasnt afraid to get in close. It's not like she'll rush in without using more ranged magic herself either if for whatever reason she can't get in close.

Fair, but she’s still dealing with Cinner up close where he wants to be. You mentioned she can use multiple skills at once, so she could heal but I just don’t know how long it would last. Do any of her skills use stamina btw, Cinner’s don’t really since he’s just applying the energy already in his body and outputting it.

No, they don't use stamina either, and if haruka is adapted, she shouldn't have any issues keeping up with him skill-wise.

No magic, it’s its own thing. And it only disables the bond because Ki is its own system and where Cinner draws a lot of his stuff.

So how does the life force work then? How does cinner manipulate it? does it use ki?

 

[MintyBoi1]

She did keep her distance in her fight with shizu at first, but she wasnt afraid to get in close. It's not like she'll rush in without using more ranged magic herself either if for whatever reason she can't get in close.

No, they don't use stamina either, and if haruka is adapted, she shouldn't have any issues keeping up with him skill-wise.

So how does the life force work then? How does cinner manipulate it? does it use ki?

But at some point the melee has to come into play and at that point is Cinner’s best chance.

I’m still unsure how she gets to Cinner’s level when he’s above her and her RE doesn’t have feats beyond beating someone she could easily predict and hold back against.

So Ki is the energy inside people, work energy you get from eating and stuff. Life energy is the life force inside you, your spirit. An Object Bond User puts that part of themself into the item chosen and in turn enhances it to levels beyond where it would normally be physically. An ice cream cone can become a deadly weapon with it.

 

[Rayfire]

But at some point the melee has to come into play and at that point is Cinner’s best chance.

I’m still unsure how she gets to Cinner’s level when he’s above her and her RE doesn’t have feats beyond beating someone she could easily predict and hold back against.

That's what's been shown for haruka so far at least, but RE has done a lot more insane stuff, which includes rapid skill and AP boosts (Vol 1 Chap 3 for example) that's what i was referring to

So Ki is the energy inside people, work energy you get from eating and stuff. Life energy is the life force inside you, your spirit. An Object Bond User puts that part of themself into the item chosen and in turn enhances it to levels beyond where it would normally be physically. An ice cream cone can become a deadly weapon with it.

Well, Ki is eerily similair to magic, so i'm confident nullify will still work, but if that's what life energy is, im not exactly sure, since nullify can't just mess with souls to kill people instantly. I'm very confident nullify will still be able to disable Ki stuff, Like the heat aura for example (Although haruka doesnt need to, since she can tank said heat) but life energy now that it's actually described now, i feel like it'd be a solid maybe. It has magical properties it seems, which haruka could probably disable, but at the same time i feel like that'd be a bit of a stretch. I'd say it's still a possibility she can negate that though.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

That's what's been shown for haruka so far at least, but RE has done a lot more insane stuff, which includes rapid skill and AP boosts (Vol 1 Chap 3 for example) that's what i was referring to

Is Haruka in the example or scaling off someone else here?

 

[Rayfire]

Is Haruka in the example or scaling off someone else here?

Asuna and Shizu mostly (The latter of whom she easily beat) So yeah, scaling off of others, but haruka does it better. Better than shizu, at least

 

[MintyBoi1]

Asuna and Shizu mostly (The latter of whom she easily beat) So yeah, scaling off of others, but haruka does it better. Better than shizu, at least

But she’s still scaling below people supposedly far below Cinner. It’s like if I can freeze people but then I get some RE and suddenly I can freeze the earth without proof. So basically One Piece fan logic.

Well, Ki is eerily similair to magic, so i'm confident nullify will still work, but if that's what life energy is, im not exactly sure, since nullify can't just mess with souls to kill people instantly. I'm very confident nullify will still be able to disable Ki stuff, Like the heat aura for example (Although haruka doesnt need to, since she can tank said heat) but life energy now that it's actually described now, i feel like it'd be a solid maybe. It has magical properties it seems, which haruka could probably disable, but at the same time i feel like that'd be a bit of a stretch. I'd say it's still a possibility she can negate that though.

The difference is Ki and OB draw from natural sources of energy (body and soul) while magic is completely unnatural. Bakuhatsu magic is said to use imagination and creativity which is completely different from what’s here as Ki is more based off personality/weapon choice and life energy just enhances. I will say, Haruka can probably negate the heat aura but we’ve kinda just been looping on how we think the negation will have varying levels of success so let’s just say it’s a Haruka advantage but not so much of a win con level advantage.

 

[Rayfire]

The difference is Ki and OB draw from natural sources of energy (body and soul) while magic is completely unnatural. Bakuhatsu magic is said to use imagination and creativity which is completely different from what’s here as Ki is more based off personality/weapon choice and life energy just enhances. I will say, Haruka can probably negate the heat aura but we’ve kinda just been looping on how we think the negation will have varying levels of success so let’s just say it’s a Haruka advantage but not so much of a win con level advantage.

The safest bet would be this, yes. Although i should mention that differences in power systems aren't typically needed to be brought up in VS threads, since that will just cause a lot of confusion. Basically, it's a "MATH. IS. MATH!" Analogy

 

[Rayfire]

@Javenplayz253 I think we’re gonna need to vote now, since venefica wants us to wrap this up a soon as possible

Cinner has some arguments of his own, obviously, but haruka’s nullification, faster adaptation, better range, resistance to the heat aura, and AP advantage should give her the win here. Haruka FRA