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Doesn't this just imply that Archie Comics is LITERALLY a story, and he's just a actor playing out the scripts they right?
That ain't exactly R>F, that's like, just being an actor?
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R>F Off Panel Sonic
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That ain't exactly R>F, that's like, just being an actor?
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No, because Mega Man also had an avatar in Off Panel during the crossover. He has an Off Panel avatar in his own book too.
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What's that have to do with anything.
Both have archie crossovers?
If Archie Sonic comics, is just Off Panel playing out a story they wrote, they kinda invalidates it being R>F, and more just the main story is just that, a story.
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- State how the 4th Wall is relevance to the story.
- State verbatim what Off Panel’s overarching story is.
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* Uh, nuh uh.
Archie Sonic wanted to tell stories other than about Sonic. This is very well documented. That’s why Sally got a miniseries. That’s why Tails got a miniseries. That’s why Knuckles and the Penders situation happened. Why the Downunder Freedom Fighter, the Wolf Pack, Geoffrey St. John’s Secret Service, Fantastic Four rip offs, the sea mammal freedom fighters, etc, has their own stories is because Archie Sonic was bored writing for Sonic.
Off Panel being its own thing is consistent.
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Where are you getting that they are actors?
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Dude literally said Off-Panel Sonic plays out the stories.
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Where?
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I LITERALLY quoted him what?
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Why would I offer it? You can legit just scroll back up a lil? Why ask for something you should have already read given you replied to my post, which had that part quoted.
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You could do without the snark. Very unnecessary.
Anyway, I never said "oh only stories about Sonic", I just said that for the off-panel, there was mainly Sonic and Sonic character appearances that didn't include that rando human character. I never said anything about any of these side-stories. I was purely mentioning the Off-Panel. Writers talking about the next Sonic story isn't an overarching story. At that point, I can call any minute action I can think of an overarching story because if something happens, it's considered plot to an "overarching story". Even if, for Off-Panel, it's literally just them doing random 4th-Wall nonsense that has about as much substance as Rock Lee & His Ninja Pals.
I just don't see it.
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All you are saying is that you personally don’t see an overarching story. While there are characters in Off Panel acting out stories without jumping themes, even if most of it is for the gags. They don’t only talking about writing the story, they do other things we aren’t bringing up because it’s a vs wiki.
Switching gears, you mentioned that Off Panel is like a sitcom as some sort of disqualified. Mainline Archie Sonic started as a sitcom, with enough in there considered canon till SgW, and the verse is connected to the Sonic Boom universe, which is a sitcom. The Simpsons is also a sitcom. They get profiles on the site and power scaled.
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"All you are saying". "Personally". Nice. That unnecessary reduction of my argument aside, as YOU yourself said, most of it is simple gags. Making exceptions for the smallest amount of the Off-Panel stories that MIGHT have a story is like saying "Yeah this movie is complete garbage, there's still this one cool scene that somehow levels out all of the below-average schlock.". Also I only said the "talking about writing" thing as ONE example of what they do, not the entire thing. I only talked about that specifically because it was more relevant.
Also, you're taking things I say too literally and the wrong way. I never said sitcom stuff made all sitcom-based profiles on the wiki irrelevant?? I don't know when I said that, but it certainly was NOT in this timeline. I mentioned that specifically because, in comparison to the main Archie storyline, all it is is non-canon (to mainline), 4th-wall fluff that hardly has much or ANY story relevancy or actual story on its own. In the aforementioned rare instances (and supported BY YOU with you saying they are mostly gags) where the Off-Panel DOES have some sort of actual story going on, it's so small that it hardly even counts for anything.
Archie starting with gags and being sitcom-esque is irrelevant here as I never said they were irrelevant as a whole, but they are when compared to the actual stories in the canon meat of the comics that take far more presence. Stuff directly within the Archie Comics and not Off-Panel aren't relevant to each other as, supposedly, they do not interact. So I don't know why it's even being talked about.
Honestly, this argument is lost so I have no real interest in continuing it.
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Off Panel having gags, being 4th wall in nature, and being a focus on fun is not a disqualifier to powerscale, is my point.
It has its own story with its own mechanics.
It has its own story with its own mechanics.
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I never said it was, all I said that, by the logic you used, it doesn't make sense for why you think it's R>F. Doesn't seem like Off-Panel has really much cohesive continuity, it doesn't seem like it gives any greater insight than an omake would, and hardly has any narrative whatsoever that isn't just a gag or a dumb and weird message that the whole Deadline thing was supposed to be. Off-Panel, as it looks like right now, seems that it very well COULD be R>F based on stuff others have been saying.
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I mean, a narrative as compelling as the main story isn’t necessarily for qualification.
The Sonic X comics do qualify to connect Archie Comics with the Sonic X anime. It’s basically like a Omake but it does matter.
The Sonic X comics do qualify to connect Archie Comics with the Sonic X anime. It’s basically like a Omake but it does matter.
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That wasn't my point at all, my point is that I was going off based on what you said originally and found it to be curious and, from my perspective, I found fault with it as it didn't make all too much sense.
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I just finished my works So who are the approvers?
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You Agreed this Calc?
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You mean this? If not, I’d like to clear it up. I have said a lot now.
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Yeah. There isn’t room for where else Off Panel fits in Archie Sonic’s story. The staff avatars are meant to be surrogates of those irl. They even choose to world build Off Panel while world building the main book.
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These parts specifically.
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@ElixirBlue
I am where the quote came from. These two Off Panel scans showcase Off Panel Sonic and Megaman acting out their own stories. Hence, even more reason as to why they should each be 1-A and receive all abilities, forms, and optional equipment when adding their own profiles in additon to what has already been said previously.
Crossover By Laws
Issue 252 Off Panel (Scroll down towards the end for that section)
I am where the quote came from. These two Off Panel scans showcase Off Panel Sonic and Megaman acting out their own stories. Hence, even more reason as to why they should each be 1-A and receive all abilities, forms, and optional equipment when adding their own profiles in additon to what has already been said previously.
Crossover By Laws
Issue 252 Off Panel (Scroll down towards the end for that section)
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You agreed this calc?
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That guy is wrong. Off-Panel Sonic is more of an editor of a comic that oversees it. He doesn't actually play over the comics events.
In other news, this discussion about if Off-Panel is relevant or not is useless because we ALREADY have Off-Panel pages. So we need to decide on what to do with those first
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Sorry. Most of this was me trying to understand Ultima's response.
Honestly, that is a narrative tangent that has no relevance to vs debating. Its story theming that connects the main book to Ken Penders and his lawsuits of being a literal canon event in Archie Sonic's story through Off Panel. Its why I dislike comparing Off Panel to something-like Rock Lee & His Ninja Pals.
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That's not a real story to actually take seriously. That's literally just taking a jab at a writer they didn't like and the in-canon actual event being the Super Genesis Wave. I feel like that aspect of Archie is being completely overthought. Literally. Take meaning from literature however you want, but this feels like a reach and I'm really not buying it.
Off-Panel WAS harmless. It almost never had ACTUAL story relevance to the main canon nor is it actually needed truly. IDW/Sega in the topic of bringing back Off-Panel is a purely company decision without any real reason probably aside from "Nah.". We don't even know the reason, so speculating it just seems like useless headcanon. One of the times it actually had any affect was the Deadline thing and that's really it.
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Already there are topics massively derailing the thread, alongside misconceptions regarding what Off-Panel even is.
IMO, this thread's topic should be remade by @ElixirBlue as a proper in-depth look at Off Panel due to him having the greatest knowledge on the subject and being able to handle/convey it in a succinct way (no offense to either of you @Hypercyber37 and @Shiedaisthepeak, I'm sure you didn't expect it to get this level of attention and debate).
IMO, this thread's topic should be remade by @ElixirBlue as a proper in-depth look at Off Panel due to him having the greatest knowledge on the subject and being able to handle/convey it in a succinct way (no offense to either of you @Hypercyber37 and @Shiedaisthepeak, I'm sure you didn't expect it to get this level of attention and debate).
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I thought it would end sooner because Deadline has a profile and the information on my Calc is available on the Cosmology blog they approve of. lol. But since I'm in the military, I don't have the opportunity to defend as well as my friends. I still believe with all my heart
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This happens often, I wouldn't stress it too much. I would say keep an eye out on this thread, as I'm sure updates will follow.
Thank you for your courage of military life!
That being said, I think this topic is in need of a reboot (not this instant, but I do stand by my suggestion of ElixirBlue recreating the thread)
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I want to see the end of this, at least for now. I earned a lot of "agreed"
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Sooo, when are the people that disagree gonna be counted?
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To be honest,idk
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when they actually say something
-I'm keeping Ultima in case he changes his mind.
-Mizuki doesn't even read the blog. Even though I point out that no two Sonics are the same, he complains that "he hasn't had the rise to rise to that level." Then he expresses that he does not like the r>f system and leaves when Ultima does not approve.
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I can bring this issue back, including what we talked about on Discord, with more detailed and better explanations and full scaling, and I would like to say that I want your help on this issue, if you don't mind all of this.
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Honestly I was expecting it, but Ultima? It was really surprising, elixirblue is more knowledgeable than me about this subject and I think he is much better than me to do this. As I told you, if elixirblue does not do it, I can still do it, but it will be better for him to do it in any case, And if this is accepted (elixirblue's opener CRT) As I told you, I will present High 1-A+, thank you for your opinions, you are a valuable person!
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Dosen't matter if they are just stone walling, or in a debate. They still need to be added. Anything else is vote manipulation.
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As it is said that for such a thing to happen, it must happen within the chapter and chapter, I stated that this is wrong and at the same time, a different Sonic avatar (Off Panel Sonic) with all kinds of Off Panel text at the end of the chapter is aware of this, but Archie is not aware of this agreement in any way. However, this is the post genesis wave, the version we are dealing with is the pre genesis archie.
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For the sake of the thread, I’ll hold off on the stuff I’m posting for another time. Needs to be after @ElixirBlue posts a revised thread determining if Off Panel gets approved or not.
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