Puella Magi Upgrades

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Crystallized Magical Girl Homura Upgrade

That images show us that Homura still has her bombs in Wraith Arc.

As such she should got "At least Low 7-B, likely 7-B with weapons" rating after her Unknown rating, given that this is the same bombs she used in earlier life to one shot Patriciaand Oktavia.


Candeloro upgrade
Candeloro justification for her tier is like this: According to the possible timelines in the PSP video game, Candeloro actually is capable of overpowering Madoka Kaname, however, whether or not she was had to be the Madoka of a certain timeline or more was never stated. However, like most witches, she should at least be superior to her regular self.

According to the game prologue, it is possible that the game takes place after the event of Magia Record, considering Homura isn't wearing glassess anymore.

Therefore, Candeloro should scales to Madoka who did this feat. Candeloro should either be a solid 6-C or "possibly" 6-C, due possibly still being weaker than Walpurgis.

Mami durability upgrade
Those images show us that Mami got hit by False Kyoko and lives (Noted that Mami has no times to create a barrier).

Mami dura should be upgraded to whatever False Kyoko AP is, cuz there is no way she could survives that with her Town Level dura. At minimum, it could be 7-B.

 

[Kaltias]

1) Looks fine

2) I still think that it could be game mechanics. It would make Candeloro superior to Walpurgis which is weird to say the least

3) That's an outlier for Mami tho

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

1)Okay.

2)Can you please explain why is it a game mechanic. Also, if Candeloro cannot become a solid 6-C, then possibly 6-C seems to be the safest route.

3) You sure this is outlier? Cuz I could swore Mami has survives similar attack before.

 

[Kaltias]

2) Because it would make her above Walpurgis, which is contradicted by the fact that Candeloro needs a barrier while Walpurgis does not.

3) Considering that her durability is supposed to be way below Kyoko's AP and that she usually doesn't tank stuff, i'd say so. For example, she almost lost an arm during her battle against the real Kyoko

It would also place her durability immensely above Kyoko's which doesn't make sense when Kyoko is always portrayed as the tank one

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

I haven't play the game, can you tell me to what extend Candeloro overwhelmed Madoka? Cuz if she did pushed Madoka to her limit, then yeah, it's probably a game mechanic.

I think I need to read Different story for this.

 

[Kaltias]

I'm pretty sure that it only refers to the fact that Candeloro can beat Madoka in-game.

I thought you did. Also edited

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Fair enough.

Nah, I somehow forget about reading it after I was done with Kazumi and Suzune Magica.

Also, IF Mami dura get upgraded, you do realize that it would significantly changes the in-verse scaling right? If Mami dura is 7-B, then Nagisa Momoe would become 7-B.

 

[Kaltias]

The thing is that if Mami's dura was 7-B, a 1 rating would be vastly above a 3.5 which doesn't cause rescaling, it causes inconsistencies.

Also as I said it would mean that her dura is vastly above Kyoko's, which is inconsistent with Kyoko being considered a tank while Mami is considered a glass cannon

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Alright....At least I manages to get CMG Homura a tier.

Let's see what SD gonna say about this.

 

[SomebodyData]

1. She has it, but she never actually uses them (They're not even on her person, at least with the shield she uses it).

2. Mami can beat Madoka but pretty sure that's only due to game mechanics.

3. You sure you didn't miss a page? Anyways, considering she has absolutely no bruises, pretty sure she used her defensive abilities (Wraith Arc does show Gun of Aegis for example later on, so it shows they're aware of them.)

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

1) But it is still an available for her. If anyone wanted to use this version of Homura, it should have been mentioned that She has her bombs with her, similar to AoC matter if the OP wants to use its potential or not.

2) Okay.

3) Yes, I did that on purpose cuz I think it's irrelevant considering the timeframe is likely pretty short. Also, we can see Mami screamed "Gyah" on the page. She would screams if she cast her barrier.

 

[SomebodyData]

1. Yea, but it would be more akin to prep time (And she would also have to carry the bag, which is pretty dooming her from actually being able to use it from the start.

3. Can you link it then? Maybe there is a bit of context you missed?

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

1) It's still nice addition for her, "Unknown, At least Low 7-B likely 7-B with weapons". Homura could put the bag somewhere else.

2)

This is only page in there.

 

[Kaltias]

Mami did managed to tank the attack. The issue is only that it's inconsistent as it would mean that Mami's dura = False Kyoko's AP >>>>>>>>> False Sayaka = Kyoko's dura >>>>>>>>>> Mami's dura

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Um....Could you links me to Different Story manga? I can't remember where it is.

Since Diff Story is a prequel to the main series, would it gonna change things if I manage to find some better Mami dura feats?

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Never mind. I have found it.

 

[Kaltias]

The problem isn't that Mami can't tank attacks (although she almost never does). It's that this particular feat would place her durability above Kyoko's.

So either we throw the in-verse tiering system out of the window (and i'm against that because it's consistent and helpful for the scaling) or we consider this an outlier.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Okay, I understand.

Although, I think I found some good Kyoko AP feats. Just starts with Volume 2 btw.

 

[SomebodyData]

1. But if she puts it somewhere else then she can't use it.

3. Still don't know, especially considering we see an explosion, if she just tanked it, it wouldn't have caused an explosion.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Alright, I have finished reading the Different story and found something that hopefully, legit.


Kyoko cut through Mami's ribbons.


Kyoko took few hits...


....from Mami and survives.

1st image context: Although Mami was kind of hesitate fighting Kyoko, this shouldn't be affected to her ribbon dura which rates as High 7-A.

2nd and 3rd images context: I honestly not sure whether Mami was serious or not. But the third image implying that she was indeed serious against Kyoko, considering she knew she was fighting a clone all along, meaning that she doesn't need to fear in killing Kyoko by accident.

 

[SomebodyData]

She reveals that she was never going full out near the end of the manga I believe.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

But in the third image, Mami realized that she was fighting Kyoko clone, there is no reason for Mami to hold back anymore while knowing the one she kicked was a fake.

 

[Kaltias]

I mean, scaling Kyoko's AP from the durability of Mami's ribbons has quite literally the same problem as scaling Mami's dura from False Kyoko

 

[SomebodyData]

She does? Is there a page missing then again?

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

But this feat happened in prequel series, meaning that Kyoko did this first and it is more impressive than matching Oktavia or False Sayaka.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Btw, shouldn't this brain in the jar scales to Walpurgis or is it another game mechanic?

 

[Kaltias]

Not sure if you guys understood what I meant earlier but:

Mami scaling dura from False Kyoko = 1 rating is vastly superior to 3.5 -> inconsistent

Kyoko scaling AP from Mami's ribbon dura = 3 rating is vastly superior to 4.5 -> inconsistent

Itzli lost to Homura so she doesn't scale from Wal (also she needs a barrier while Walpurgis does not)

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Oh, I get it now. Sorry if it took me a while.

So Itzil lost to Homura? Then Homura should be 7-B.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Sorry to bother you guys again, but:

Mami...


....destroyed her Large Mountain Level ribbons...


...without trace.

 

[Kaltias]

Well, during different story she confirmed that she can harden them at will. So probably she simply lowered their durability

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Huh when? I can't remember that.

 

[Kaltias]

During the last battle with Kyoko, near the beginning. She said that she manipulated the density of the threads to harden them

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Okay I see the statement, that doesn't make sense.

If she lowered her ribbons dura, False Mami should have been able to break it easily since her physical strength>>>>>>Mami Physical strength.

 

[Kaltias]

? It means that she can lower and upper it at will.

 

[Kaltias]

Also, we don't see the shot destroying the ribbons.

That and we can't scale Mami from her ribbons durability, as that would mean scaling her from False Mami, who is leagues above her

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

I know, but considering False Magical girls are superior to the original in every aspect, lowering her ribbons dura even for a second is a fatal mistake. False Mami could have easily break free and blizts Mami if Mami really did that.

 

[Kaltias]

Ninja'd you

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Aw, come on. Why is it so hard to upgrade any of these characters?

 

[Kaltias]

It's really not that hard lol (Ask that to 8-B Sayaka ovo).

I'm only against scaling them from people who are canonically superior to them because it mess up the scaling itself

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Oh well, at least I did make AoC to be even more broken.