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Princess Luna Stars level ?
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The striking strength values are still extremely exaggerated. The ponies have never demonstrated the ability to hit people with anything remotely approaching star-splitting power. All of their abilities lie within their use of magic.
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Should their striking strength be "At least Class PJ+" scaling off of Rainbow Dash's high end?
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Can't the ponies harm each other with their strikes? If we're rating them with Solar System level durability, then their Striking Strength should be scaled as well. Again this is use of AoE and "what they can destroy." When have Goku Black, Zamasu, Hit, Toppo, Whis, Vados etc. done anything remotely close to destroy a universe with their strikes?
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Well, the problem is that they have never been portrayed as particularly physically strong or durable at all. All of their feats are done by magic.
Still, I suppose that you have a point, but by this logic all ponies in Equestria would have Large Star level AP, as Earth Ponies, such as Applejack and Maud Pie, generally seem to be far physically stronger than the magic users.
As such, I think that it is better to assume that, for example, Twilight Sparkle protected herself against Tirek's attacks with magic barriers.
Still, I suppose that you have a point, but by this logic all ponies in Equestria would have Large Star level AP, as Earth Ponies, such as Applejack and Maud Pie, generally seem to be far physically stronger than the magic users.
As such, I think that it is better to assume that, for example, Twilight Sparkle protected herself against Tirek's attacks with magic barriers.
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I agree with Ant here. I agree with Ryukama's logic, but the Ponies are never portrayed as particularly powerful without magic. All of their strength comes from their magic and only scales throgh Projectile Energy attacks.
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@Ryu
High-End Ponies like Alicorns can tank each other's magical attacks. So durability should stay.
High-End Ponies like Alicorns can tank each other's magical attacks. So durability should stay.
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So we're saying their natural durability is a certain level, other characters can harm them with their strikes, yet we're not scaling striking strength, because we don't see them destroy a lot with their hits?Matthew Schroeder said:
I'm sorry but with all due respect this does not seem to make sense and I know we would adamantly go against this for practically any other series. And have done so before.
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Well, their durabilities could also be changed to "Unknown. Large Star level with magic", given that they are portrayed as being of roughly regular physical strength and durability for Equestrian ponies.
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Well, I want to hear more opinions.
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If the ponies use magical barriers to endure the magical attacks, I'm fine with that (although "regular physical strength" sounds very wrong )
However if non-amped ponies can survive these attacks and we'll rate their durabilities as naturally Solar System level, and others can harm them with their strikes, there is no reason not to scale them like we would any other series besides a clear double standard.
However if non-amped ponies can survive these attacks and we'll rate their durabilities as naturally Solar System level, and others can harm them with their strikes, there is no reason not to scale them like we would any other series besides a clear double standard.
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Well, most notable ponies are obviously still very strong physically, but nobody reaches into Tier 4 without magic. I don't just mean visible uses of spells and such, either. Episodes such as Twilight's Kingdom make it clear that magic is a sort of inherent, ever-present thing for most characters. Hell, even Earth ponies' enhanced strength is treated as the result of magic (albeit magic far less potent and direct than something used by unicorns). Further supporting this is the fact that when Tirek drained the magic from someone, they basically just turned into fodder incapable of doing anything, be it a no-name Earth pony or Discord himself.
So while it's not exactly magical barriers that need to be put up, saying something along the lines of "Large Star level with magic" is probably most accurate, as it does clarify that without that magic, there's exactly going to be a lot of Tier 4 tanking, any time soon.
Basically, there's no need for barriers, but no magic means no Tier 4 anything.
So while it's not exactly magical barriers that need to be put up, saying something along the lines of "Large Star level with magic" is probably most accurate, as it does clarify that without that magic, there's exactly going to be a lot of Tier 4 tanking, any time soon.
Basically, there's no need for barriers, but no magic means no Tier 4 anything.
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Durability should stay imo. Celestia was able to take magical hits from Luna and was able to get back up. I'm pretty sure theirs at least a few instances in the comics (which are secondary canon) were the Alicorns tank each others magic (Particularly in the Nightmare Rarity Arc and Opposite Dimension Arc).
Also for what its worth, I'm pretty sure Evil Celestia physically manhandled the Mane 6.
Also for what its worth, I'm pretty sure Evil Celestia physically manhandled the Mane 6.
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Well, again, Earth ponies are generally portrayed as physically stronger than magic users, as are the stronger pegasi, especially Rainbow Dash, and we would have to rate all ponies in Equestria as Star level or higher, if we started to assume that Twilight Sparkle's physical strength is naturally at this level.
The easiest way to avoid the inherent extreme contradictions, is to assume that she and other alicorns are always protecting themselves with magic during battles.
The easiest way to avoid the inherent extreme contradictions, is to assume that she and other alicorns are always protecting themselves with magic during battles.
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I agree with Azzy and Dark. They are super durable with magic.
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As I posted above, this is more or less shown to be the case.Antvasima said:
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I'd very much rather we not rate statistics based on an interpretation that isn't even vaguely implied in the series itself.
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Do you mean that their durability comes from magic? Because that's very much implied in the series. Twilight's Kingdom is a prime example of this, and even counts Earth pony physical enhancement as a type of magic.
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Yes, but Earth ponies are treated as the physically strongest as far as I am aware. At the very least Twilight is not physically stronger than them. To avoid a nightmare of scaling everybody to Large Star level, I think that it is best to assume that Twilight actively uses magic protection spells to defend against powerful attacks.
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Well, it's not like they actively need to use their magic to protect themselves, as the protection is automatic, but taking away the magic makes them astronomically weaker. This really only applies in fights against beings who can nullify or absorb magic, but it is an important distinction, regardless.
Well, it's not like they actively need to use their magic to protect themselves, as the protection is automatic, but taking away the magic makes them astronomically weaker. This really only applies in fights against beings who can nullify or absorb magic, but it is an important distinction, regardless.
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Hmm... 'Scaling everybody to Large Star Level' if I may ask.. Ant... Where did this asaumption from ?
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She had all of her magic against NM, though?Paulo.junior.969 said:
There has been one instance (to my knowledge) of alicorn-tier characters having their magic nullified/taken, and when it happened they were weaker in all aspects.
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There isn't really anything that implies that she was using her magic to protect herself in that scene, and if you mean Tirek, he can't only steal magic, he can also steal flight and physical strenght.Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
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It's almost like nobody has been reading any of the multiple posts where I point out magic offers inherent protection.
There is a reason Twilight can take attacks from other Alicorn-tier characters after becoming an Alicorn and gaining Alicorn magic. I'll give people a hint. It isn't because she gained fancy wings.
There is a reason Twilight can take attacks from other Alicorn-tier characters after becoming an Alicorn and gaining Alicorn magic. I'll give people a hint. It isn't because she gained fancy wings.
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I have no idea where you guys got that from, but whatever, it's your wiki, you guys can post whatever you want.
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>Tirek repeatedly stated to steal magic, ability extends to abilities of Earth ponies and pegasi when he regains enough of his strength
>doesn't bother stealing this supposedly still tier 4 strength and durability after the alicorns give Twilight their magic
>Twilight goes from having Tier 7 to Tier 4 durability after being imbued with Alicorn magic
Yes, clearly magic has nothing whatsoever to do with anything other than offense and only that.
The explanation for all major power in the verse has been magic. There is zero reason for people to just be Tier 4 physically with no magic because reasons.
>doesn't bother stealing this supposedly still tier 4 strength and durability after the alicorns give Twilight their magic
>Twilight goes from having Tier 7 to Tier 4 durability after being imbued with Alicorn magic
Yes, clearly magic has nothing whatsoever to do with anything other than offense and only that.
The explanation for all major power in the verse has been magic. There is zero reason for people to just be Tier 4 physically with no magic because reasons.
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Ok then, as I said before, it's your wiki, if you don't want them to be physically durable, then, they'll not be physically durable, I don't agree with that, but I have no authority here, so, do whatever you want, I was just trying to help.
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This is why I was irked by people not reading what I said above. They are physically durable. Magic makes them physically durable and able to tank these hits all the time. The only time this applies is when an enemy can actively negate or absorb their magic. That's it.
I do not mean to be cross, but I have been repeatedly trying to express that this is far from something that will be relevant all the time, but still an important distinction for matches where it matters.
I do not mean to be cross, but I have been repeatedly trying to express that this is far from something that will be relevant all the time, but still an important distinction for matches where it matters.
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Ok then.
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@Ryu I would assume so, though I'd have to rewatch some stuff. Twilight vs Tirek, maybe?
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