Prime Soul King vs Sonic

[manu_zarri]

Fatehax is passive and messing things on a quantum level (seems like probability manipulation tbh).

" the constant inconsistency, that hiccup on the quantum level that throws everything off to ensure Sonic’s victory"

Here you can incap him easily with stuff, and pretty sure here it's also treated as like him not dying or something and eventually win but he wouldn't do that instantly as proved above

 

[StrymULTRA]

Fatehax. Btw are those hax passive?

Fate hax only works against dying in a fight, SK can still incap him with these

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

How does those works? What does SK usually start off with?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

We don’t really have SK fighting in the series but two of the feats we know he has are making the cosmology (not part of a fight) and transmuting his opponent into sand. The latter probably won’t happen since fate had stops him from doing that.

 

[Bernkastelll]

How does those works? What does SK usually start off with?

He doesnt, he is featless

 

[manu_zarri]

How does those works? What does SK usually start off with?

if you can Incap sonic then you basically won.

Like sleep manipulation
that's why Rimuru have a notable won against Archie Sonic

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

You can't turn Sonic to sand due to his passive Reality Warping and Fatehax.

He can comeback from being robotized.

We don’t really have SK fighting in the series but two of the feats we know he has are making the cosmology (not part of a fight) and transmuting his opponent into sand. The latter probably won’t happen since fate had stops him from doing that.

 

[manu_zarri]

You can't turn Sonic to sand due to his passive Reality Warping and Fatehax.

He can comeback from being robotized.

he can still be incapped

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

if you can Incap sonic then you basically won.

Like sleep manipulation
that's why Rimuru have a notable won against Archie Sonic

Yeah but how will he do it? Sonic also regenerate quite fast. Sonic also has an AP advantage.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

he can still be incapped

Yes i know.

 

[manu_zarri]

Yeah but how will he do it? Sonic also regenerate quite fast. Sonic also has an AP advantage.

Regeneration is useless, like what regenerate would be usefull if you are in another space and can't leave that? AP is more useless.

idk if this is in-character

 

[StrymULTRA]

He’d likely lead with law hax since, well, he started with shaping them in the series.

 

[Planck69]

I don't think that's how that works.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

What do you mean by different space? Sonic has Dimensional Travel.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I don't think that's how that works.

Wdym

 

[manu_zarri]

What do you mean by different space? Sonic has Dimensional Travel.

range part is outdated

 

[Planck69]

Wdym

Like, I don't see why something he initially did for non-combat purposes would be his first move here, even if it was the first thing he did at the time.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Like, I don't see why something he initially did for non-combat purposes would be his first move here, even if it was the first thing he did at the time.

We don’t have other hints tho, so I guess that’s the only option we have on him at the moment.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Well someone tell me that he turns people into sand so he probably will start with that?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Well someone tell me that he turns people into sand so he probably will start with that?

He won’t at the start because Fate Hax

 

[Purgy]

SK has no combat feats, all we know is he killed countless menos but the means of how he did so are unknown, so it's either assume what SK is going to do or don't use him in battles.

Regardless, he has precog that lets him see all futures, so realistically his first move will be one that is the most effective.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

He won’t at the start because Fate Hax

Why won't he do that?

SK has no combat feats, all we know is he killed countless menos but the means of how he did so are unknown, so it's either assume what SK is going to do or don't use him in battles.

Regardless, he has precog that lets him see all futures, so realistically his first move will be one that is the most effective.

There's kinda no way to predict Sonic due to him being a Constant Inconsistency, he's definitely gonna mess up the prediction with his Fatehax.

 

[Purgy]

There's kinda no way to predict Sonic due to him being a Constant Inconsistency, he's definitely gonna mess up the prediction with his Fatehax.

It's not predicting though, it's literally seeing every future, Sonic isn't acausal, he exists in the future and thus SK has seen it.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Well, Sonic can bypass Mogul's 6th Sense

 

[Purgy]

Well, Sonic can bypass Mogul's 6th Sense

I don't know what that is, how does it compare to seeing every future simultaneously possibly a million years in advance? How do we compare one precog to another in terms of potency?

SK probably bypasses resistance anyway given that his precog works on himself even though he's resistant, much like Mimihagi absorbed Yhwach.

Also, why doesn't Sonic have resistance to precog?

Never mind, he does, I'm just blind apparently. Regardless, my other points still stand.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Well Sonic bypassing Mogul's Sixth Sense should bypass SK's precognition. Unless there's something unique with SK's precognition that i don't know about.

I don't see SK negating precognition in his profile.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Well Sonic bypassing Mogul's Sixth Sense should bypass SK's precognition. Unless there's something unique with SK's precognition that i don't know about.

How does Six Sense works? and I guess SK can bypass, because mimihagi that is neither progressing or regressing resist

 

[Purgy]

Well Sonic bypassing Mogul's Sixth Sense should bypass SK's precognition. Unless there's something unique with SK's precognition that i don't know about.

Well it's arguably far superior based on everything I've seen so far, albeit, I don't know much about Sonic.

I don't see SK negating precognition in his profile.

Resistance to Precognition (Via Mimihagi. Reiō should've its power who can evade Yhwach's The Almighty)

SK's precog works on himself, just like Yhwach's does.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

How does Six Sense works? and I guess SK can bypass, because mimihagi that is neither progressing or regressing resist

He can see the future, Mogul stated than on the scan that he sees the world with the Sixth Sense. He also perceive Sonic and co's Fate but Sonic bypass it.

Resistance to Precognition (Via Mimihagi. Reiō should've its power who can evade Yhwach's The Almighty)

SK's precog works on himself, just like Yhwach's does.

So he need Mimihagi to use it?

Even if he can see the future, Sonic will probably start with a punch, and what will he possibly do to pay back a punch?

And then his Chaos Manipulation goes into play and mess anything that SK has planned.

 

[Bernkastelll]

So he need Mimihagi to use it?

No, Mimihagi is his hand lol, its safe to assume that a Prime Soul King should have the same powers (and better) than his hands
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[Purgy]

So he need Mimihagi to use it?

Even if he can see the future, Sonic will probably start with a punch, and what will he possibly do to pay back a punch?

And then his Chaos Manipulation goes into play and mess anything that SK has planned.

Mimihagi is a part of Prime SK, his hand to be exact.

SK sees every future, so whatever Sonic's Chaos Manipulation does to change it, SK has already seen it, that's the whole point of seeing every future, no matter how it changes SK sees it.

Also, SK has Low-Godly + Intangibility, Sonic can't punch him and even if he could, it wouldn't achieve anything.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Sonic can interact with Non Physical things so im sure he can interact with SK. Sonic will start using his rings if SK starts becoming a threat and BFR him.

I got a question: so does SK sees every future to do best move or only sees one future then proceed to use the best move?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Sonic can interact with Non Physical things so im sure he can interact with SK. Sonic will start using his rings if SK starts becoming a threat and BFR him.

I got a question: so does SK sees every future to do best move or only sees one future then proceed to use the best move?

He sees nigh infinite futures simultaneously.

 

[Purgy]

Sonic can interact with Non Physical things so im sure he can interact with SK. Sonic will start using his rings if SK starts becoming a threat and BFR him.

I got a question: so does SK sees every future to do best move or only sees one future then proceed to use the best move?

SK's intangibility is to the extent that characters even with several forms of NPI can't interact with him, basically every Bleach character ever can interact with intangible people, souls and objects but they can't interact with him.

Actually I'm not sure about the above, I kinda forgot that he lost Lille's Schrift, though he does still have intangibility, I'm just not sure to what extent.

I'm not sure what you mean for your second part.

 

[Bernkastelll]

I got a question: so does SK sees every future to do best move or only sees one future then proceed to use the best move?

Yhwach can see countless futures, Yhwach is a soul king lite

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Hmm, so is he gonna use Law Manipulation off the bat?

 

[Bernkastelll]

Hmm, so is he gonna use Law Manipulation off the bat?

Well, thats the first thing that he did

 

[Purgy]

Hmm, so is he gonna use Law Manipulation off the bat?

He'll probably use whatever has the best chance of defeating Sonic due to his precog

As said earlier in the thread, SK hasn't really ever fought before, so it's impossible to say what is in character for him without assuming.

Also, he never used Law Manipulation offensively, don't you need actual combat showings to say he could do that?

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Well Sonic can use Time Stop using his Chaos Emeralds. What can he do for that?

Well yes. SK need to show that he can use it offensively, just like when Sally fought that one Instant Death characters, that character can use Plot Manipulation but only on a defensive manner.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Well Sonic can use Time Stop using his Chaos Emeralds. What can he do for that?

Well yes. SK need to show that he can use it offensively, just like when Sally fought that one Instant Death characters, that character can use Plot Manipulation but only on a defensive manner.

Everything that Yhwach see become unable to affect him, Soul King also has this power, which means that Soul King can null the time stop
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