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SK can't really do anything about Time Stop, except kill him or incap him before he uses it.
What are Sonic's wincons here? Just BFR?
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Prime Soul King vs Sonic
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What are Sonic's wincons here? Just BFR?
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Soul King can adapt/power null it, like what Yhwach does
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Actually Sonic has a passive power null via his passive aura. He can negate curse passively.
He can use his BFR, Power Null, or Time Stop him i think.
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He could, I guess?
It's just weird to think that he can null something while time is stopped.
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SK resists Conceptual Type 3 powernull, how strong is Sonic's?
Also, Bleach abilities don't really fall under "curses" or "magic".
I don't think Time Stop is a wincon
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I mean, Soul King is looking at Sonic right? Which means that he could null it
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why not
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Can he and would he do it for over a day? You have to prevent your opponent from being able to attack for over a day for it to be considered a valid wincon.
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Just negating Curse and stuff.
But doesn't it fall to the same category? They both can power null and that's that. But Sonic Power Null is on a L1-C scale interestingly enough.
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Can he? I'm pretty sure he can.
Would he? No, he probably Time Stop then BFR him.
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Well, that's true. I thought that it works on everything.
Well can he negate his Time Stop and and BFR? Man i really wish Super Sonic is here right now
Well can he negate his Time Stop and and BFR? Man i really wish Super Sonic is here right now
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He might be able to null the time stop though I don't personally think so.
How does the BFR work?
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Sonic pull out a ring and it suck the opponent Ignore the art lmao
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No I don't think SK can do anything about that other than incapping Sonic before it happens, he most likely doesn't have the range to escape either.
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It works on a 2-A scale.
So Sonic's wincon is Time Stop and BFR right? And what's SK's Wincon? Power Null via precognition?
So Sonic's wincon is Time Stop and BFR right? And what's SK's Wincon? Power Null via precognition?
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Power null isn't really a wincon, like time stop, it's just something that aids one of his wincons.
SK can;
- Seal him
- Absorb him
- Copy his abilities or steal them* and incap him with one of those
- Transmute him
- BFR him
- Manipulate his past and memories making Sonic see him as an ally and obey him obediently
- Possibly passively paralyse him
How high is Sonic's soul resistance? Because SK has passive soul based* paralysis inducement.
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broken link
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Link doesn't work
It also seems like it only restores his soul, that wouldn't protect him from being passively paralysed.
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Yes, but all that scan says is that it would restore his soul if it's destroyed or something.
This wouldn't do anything to prevent him being paralyzed
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Doesn't Sonic have the Chaos Emeralds in standard equipment?
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but this is like saying that he will turn into Super Sonic, which is Low 1-C, thus, not allowed
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I never said he would use them to turn into Super Sonic, I'm not that evil
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Well idk if this will help but Sonic has an internal barrier.
With One Chaos Emerald, Sonic can do things like Time Manipulation and stuff. And it seems that SK doesn't have anything against it.
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Sonic has Power Rings in his Standard Equipment which are being overlooked as per usual lol, meaning he'll lead with 2-A BFR from just about the very start. He has a tendency to do that with them unless he needs them for a specific purpose. Sonic could even teleport him to a separate multiverse. That or Low 1-C Power Null.
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What makes BFR his first move? From reading his previous battles and what has been said in this thread, he's most likely to start with H2H
Regardless, he doesn't resist the passive paralysis inducement and even if BFR is his first move, I find it hard to believe that Sonic would be able to pull him into the ring, SK has ridiculous precog and can teleport to avoid being sucked in.
As discussed already, his powernull specifically affects curses and magic, neither of which can be used to label SK's abilities.
ShakeResounding
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Whoa whoa whoa, we've had a discussion like this before and that is actually false. It was even rejected in a downgrade CRT some years ago. Who told you this?
Because that's just about what he always does unless it's circumstantial or in a non-combat scenario, and because nobody ever remembers he has Power Rings respectively.
Gonna respond to the last but later. Final exams are calling my name.
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I was called in. 
Whats the summary for the current arguments?
Whats the summary for the current arguments?
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I mean, it literally says curses and magic on his profile, and the scan itself used as evidence states as much.
It would be like saying a character who specifically nullifies fire based attacks can nullify any ability.
As I said though, both in this thread and his previous battles listed on his profile, it's generally argued he starts with H2H, in fact the only person I saw saying he starts with BFR was you in one of those previous battles.
No problem.
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As far as I have seen;I was called in.
Whats the summary for the current arguments?
Sonic's wincon is BFR
SK's wincons are;
- Sealing
- Absorbing Sonic
- Copy his abilities or steal them* and incap him with one of those
- Transmute him
- BFR him
- Manipulate his past and memories making Sonic see him as an ally and obey him obediently
- Possibly passively paralyse him
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Sonic can BFR himself back with Rings
Eggman and Al & Cal already tried to do that. Eggman with the Genesis Wave and Al & Cal with their own haxes. All 3 failed at the end
Sonic recovers from Shadow's paralyse induce hax when Shadow paralyse the Neo Metal Sonic troopers.
Right, and one of those H2H moves Sonic does is the Super Peel Out, which is a statistic amplification technique. I see the Soul King has it too but since Sonic leads with H2H, he'll increase his speed faster than when Soul King starts to do the same.
Also, this is a CRT needing to happen to put on the profile, Sonic's Rage Power is another Statistic Amplification, that increases his speed and power in base. No denting the Egg Beater till he used Rage Power. Fought Robo-Robotnik using Rage power but then bounced off of him when he was no longer in Rage.
Shake is correct. A single Power Ring powernulled Ugly Naugus, who fought Ultra Sonic and Hyper Tails at the same time.
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Fair enough
Neither resistance to memory manipulation or past manipulation are on Sonic's profile.
Not on his profile, and it's a bit different anyway since SK's paralyses the soul, regardless, far weaker Bleach characters can passively paralyse dozens of characters at once with their reiatsu, SK is the Supreme Being of the verse.
AP kinda doesn't matter here, SK has Low-Godly and potentially intangibility exceeding Sonic's NPI.
SK can also copy Sonic's stats with The Visionary, so Sonic increasing his speed is a bit redundant, not to mention that he can't blitz due to speed equalization rules iirc.
My knowledge on Sonic is quite limited, but I'm struggling to see how Sonic lost to people like Bowser with apparently passive Low 1-C powernull.
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Sonic recovers his memories of his old reality from Eggman manipulating Causality on his own. Eggman and Sally did too, but not Rotor, Antione, Tails or Snivley.
Er..., I showed the scan. Which comes secondary?
Shadow paralyse an army of Metal Sonic troopers and Sonic recovers without Power Rings or Chaos Emeralds. Power Rings can increase abilities, as the Iron Queen used 2 Power Rings to increase her Technology Manipulation to bypass the resistance to Technology Manipulation of 1 Power Ring grants for Monkeyy Khan. Sonic holds multiple as standard equipment.
The Statistic Amp was mostly to make a case for speed
Has SK copy stat increases via power ups or/and from techniques?
Speed Equalization doesn't make amps reductant. Speed Equalization rules doesn't allow a character with lower speed to amp themselves faster than someone with higher speed, while the one with higher speed can use amps to be faster.
Power Ring's Power null isn't passive and Bowser in that key starts with sealing immediately.
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