Addressing the Argumentum ad populum
Okay so let me start off by addressing the main issues here, since people seem to have
not much of a clue on how the future
flows. Let's start off by taking a look at the definition of the future and Fate.
the will or principle or determining cause by which things in general are believed to come to be as they are or events to happen as they do
Fate isn't
something linear in nature, the concept of the future is that it's always changing, always forming new outcomes and so on and so forth. The Future isn't something that can
exist without the past or present, both of which are what
determine the outcomes of the future. The Future in
always directly influenced by the
changes and actions made in the present, the arguments above assume that the future is something that just exists by itself without any relationship to the
present, like it's something entirely independent.
The future is a
direct result of the
actions and decisions people make within the
present, the future cannot and will not change if the
present is never affected, it only gets affected and changes due to the
consequences of the present. The Present is what determines the flow of Future, creating a future isn't possible without a
past or present.
Creating and Influencing a new future doesn't require the manipulation of Fate, this is a blatant non sequitur that I'm pretty sure users here only got from their manga or whatever, Fate Manipulation is a hax that allows you to directly change Fate to
your own accord and leisure to
whatever you want, going against the
normal flow of Fate. And I don't wanna see people throwing around inherent Strawman Fallacies either such as "Well now I guess Deku has Fate hax." he doesn't, and that's actually helps my argument if anything. New future's form due to the actions and choices we make in the present. You can always
forge a new future by making certain choices and actions. Deku changed his own fate by
acting in the present, because again the future is a
direct result of what's happening now.
This is different than let's say Yhwach changing the future by Manipulation of Fate to
his own accord, those are two different cases so they aren't applicable to one another, at best an argument like this is used to try to discredit my arguments while not
addressing the arguments themselves.
Addressing the Counter arguments
Okay so now let's address the aforementioned arguments from above, because to be honest this is just another example of users piggy back riding off of the arguments of other users with little to no difference between them and using them to flood and overwhelm other users.
being able to create a new future is something only characters with some level of fate manipulation can do
precognition does nothing except for seeing what is going to happen, and if what's going to happen changes then they can't change it back unless they have fate manipulation
if fate says that they will not be able to perform any other action, then they won't unless they fate manipulate
First of all I dont even know where to start start this argument in particular since it's all objectively false and evidently so. Changing the future is something that literally anyone can do, Fate hax is the application of the manipulation of Fate to get a particular desired result, nothing more and nothing less. The future is something that's conventionally a result of the present and the actions made in said present time.
The future doesn't change by
itself, the future changes
based upon actions, choices and so on and so forth. Without a
past or present there would be no such thing as a
future because the future is something determined by the present and past. Changing your future
doesn't require the application of Fate Manipulation unless you wish for a very particular type of result, changing the future is something we do everyday. This is literally why Deku had Fate Manipulation rejected because changing the future based upon your actions is something we ALREADY do. So again this is a massive non sequitur to be riding on.
you realize saying "All possible futures" means it's literally any future that can happen, right? Which means you can't change it to a different one or have another one form, because that would count toward one of the possible futures
The Future is a concept that one can always change
via their actions in the present, the present is what
generates the future to begin with, even if all "possible outcomes." are deleted, new ones can still be made by the
actions made now, in the present. The Future doesn't just work independently, the future is a
direct result of what happens in the present. For what your talking about to happen you'd also need to nuke the present, due to it being the
source of the future.
For the future to be completely axed completely that would also require the
destruction of the present (the source of the future.) As long as the
past remains then a
new future can always be forged by the action of others.
How do you know this? The future could very well be deterministic in our world and we wouldn't know the difference. How the future works changes from series to series, but in any case it wouldn't change anything.
Because that's how it works? There's a reason why we have theories of time paradoxes,
if there isn't no past then a future nor present can be created due to how time branches off. This isn't a difficult concept to comprehend. Temporal measurements like the
Past, Present and the Future are all
dependent on one another, without a past then a future cannot logically exist. The
past is what
determines the present, the present is what determines the future. I've never seen a work of fiction that deviates from this, and if there is feel free to actually post the example, because as far as I'm aware there aren't any that allow for the future to remain while the present are gone.
You are understanding that the ability is "all possible futures", correct? Because if all POSSIBLE futures, aka any future that could happen via any sequence of events are erased and only 1 remains, then no other outcome can happen. Nothing can be changed because there is nothing to change. If it's not all POSSIBLE futures then this isn't the case, but if it's all POSSIBLE FUTURES then no changes can happen. The person with precog can only see the future coming up and anything they choose is what's already decided in this 1 last possible outcome. Because there are no other possible outcomes.
The present still remains which is what determines the sequence of events of the future, as long as the
present remains new future's will be
created based upon one's actions and such in the present, the future
only changes and gets created due to the actions and choices that take place in the present. "All possible futures." is irrelevant
whenever new one's spawn from simple actions and choices.
I'm not even talking about precognition anymore I'm talking about the
mechanics of how the past, present and future works. You said that if all possible futures are nuked then new ones can't be formed, which is inherently incorrect since the future spawns from the present to begin with, the present is the source of the future and what determines what happens in the future.
Gin, what do you think all possible futures means, the other futures are still possible futures even if they haven't formed, because as I said they are still possible futures and as such cease to be, there is no way to make new futures because they already have ceased to be
And I've already explained this several times above, the future doesn't determine itself what determines and forges the future is the present, there's no no thing as a future without a past or present. As long as there's a present then a new future can be forged by the slightest of actions.
You're ignoring "all possible futures". If only 1 possible future remains because they erased all others, then only that one can happen. You can't change something if it literally has to be that way via someone's ability unless you yourself have fate hax or causality hax or whatever to counter it.
I'm not ignoring anything, I'm taking that into consideration. Also seems pretty condescending of you to say that I'm ignoring it when I've addressed it several times. The future is something that's ever changing and ever generating from the actions made in the past and present, the confusion comes from you guy's not understanding that and instead replying with "needs fate hax." whenever the
future is literally something we change every day BECAUSE of the present.
