Pre-Crisis Superman's 2-C Revision

[Elizio33]

I'm agree with the idea of giving the base Anti-Monitor a 2-C, maybe 2-A rating, as his Multiversal+ feats were achieved via the Antimatter Wave. He should stay 2-C.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

I'm agree with the idea of giving the base Anti-Monitor a 2-C, maybe 2-A rating, as his Multiversal+ feats were achieved via the Antimatter Wave. He should stay 2-C.

damn, Goku doesn't scale to Cell, Gohan defeated him with kamehameha

 

[LordTracer]

damn, Goku doesn't scale to Cell, Gohan defeated him with kamehameha

Completely different verse with completely different context.

 

[Teezar]

Anti-matter wave is an outside amp ability or Anti-monitor personal ability?

 

[Stefano4444]

I think Volthoom is the only other profile that needs to be unlocked and upgraded.

I also notice the same with Life Entity.

 

[LordTracer]

I also notice the same with https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Life_Entity_(Post-Crisis).

I didn’t even realize that was a page lol

 

[Teezar]

Anti-matter wave is an outside amp ability or Anti-monitor personal ability?

 

[Stefano4444]

Anti-matter wave is an outside amp ability or Anti-monitor personal ability?

For what i understand the Anti-Matter Wave was deemed Environmental Destruction rather than Attack Potency.

 

[Teezar]

For what i understand the Anti-matter Wave its considered Environmental Destruction rather than Attack Potency.

It was destroying universes from all time and eras bro that's not environmental destruction as it's even creation feat at times this is legit DC .

 

[Stefano4444]

It was destroying universes from all time and eras bro that's not environmental destruction as it's even creation feat at times this is legit DC .

I wasn't the one who decided that this was environmental destruction.

And personally i'm neutral about this, but even if we agree that AM should fully be 2-A, the upgrade may be limited to just him and Monitor.

 

[Teezar]

Wasn't it a possible 2A due to his anti matter wave?
Anyways full 2A or possibly, anti-matter wave shouldn't be seen as environmental destruction as it isn't at all.

 

[Stefano4444]

Wasn't it a possible 2A due to his anti matter wave?

The possibly 2-A its due of his scaling from Pre-Crisis Superman, who had his own 2-A feats.

 

[Teezar]

OK but Anti-matter wave should be possibly 2A also as it couldn't reach the last 5 universes to due range or being protected by the monitor.

 

[Stefano4444]

OK but Anti-matter wave should be possibly 2A also as it couldn't reach the last 5 universes to due range or being protected by the monitor.

The Anti-Matter Wave its already tier at 2-A.

 

[Teezar]

Wait when you said AM I thought you meant anti-matter wave sorry yeah if mobius becomes 2A only monitor would scale.

 

[Elizio33]

I personally think that keeping the Anti-Monitor and the Monitor to 2-C is much better. The profile of the Anti-Monitor explain that he's only 2-A via the antimatter wave or after absorbing the Antimatter Universe.

 

[Antvasima]

I have unlocked the Volthoom and Life Entity pages for editing.

So should we give the base level Anti-Monitor and Monitor an "At least Low 2-C, possibly 2-A" tier, by scaling from Supergirl, or not?

Also, should we scale the emotional entities from Superboy-Prime at his peak or not?

 

[Stefano4444]

So should we give the base level Anti-Monitor and Monitor an "At least Low 2-C, possibly 2-A" tier, by scaling from Supergirl, or not?

Yes, both Pre-Crisis Supergirl and Base Anti-Monitor in their clash where clearly potrayed to be around the same power level.

 

[LordTracer]

I have unlocked the Volthoom and Life Entity pages for editing.

Both of them were edited, you can lock the pages again.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Have all of the required edits been done here then, or is there anything left to clear up?

 

[Antvasima]

I have locked the pages in the meantime.

 

[Teezar]

I personally think that keeping the Anti-Monitor and the Monitor to 2-C is much better. The profile of the Anti-Monitor explain that he's only 2-A via the antimatter wave or after absorbing the Antimatter Universe.

Please why would they both be 2-C?

 

[Antvasima]

We also likely need to update the other New Gods statistics by scaling from Darkseid:

New Gods

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Stefano4444]

We also likely need to update the other New Gods statistics by scaling from Darkseid

For what i seen nobody scale to Darkseid when he is 2-C, possibly 2-A, with the possible exception of Takion.

But that guy seen to have his own can of worms since he both Quantum Field, Speed Force and the Emotional Spectrum are part of his powers.

 

[Antvasima]

What about Yuga Khan?

 

[Stefano4444]

What about Yuga Khan?

Yeah, i forgot that guy, but yes he should scale too.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

A bit off topic, but it would be nice to make a Pre-Crisis Batman profile in the future

 

[Antvasima]

Yeah, i forgot that guy, but yes he should scale too.

I will unlock his page then. Tell me here when you are done.

 

[Stefano4444]

I will unlock his page then. Tell me here when you are done.

Done

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. What else is left to do here, and are any of our other New Gods pages scaled from the old 2-C statistics?

 

[Stefano4444]

Thank you. What else is left to do here, and are any of our other New Gods pages scaled from the old 2-C statistics?

Aside for Takion, i don't remember any other profile that need to be upgraded at the moment.

 

[Stefano4444]

Although after thinking about, i guess Takion can be too upgraded to 2-C, possibly 2-A.

The Speed Force its suppost to be part of his power, so we may simply have him scale to Post Crisis Wally West at his peak (which its also 2-C, possibly 2-A).

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Peak Wally defeated peak Monitor though, so we should handle Monitor's profile before that.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Do you need Takion's page unlocked?

 

[Stefano4444]

Peak Wally defeated peak Monitor though, so we should handle Monitor's profile before that.

Why? AM its already at 2-C, possibly 2-A via scaling from Supergirl and it was already decided that he doesn't scale to his Anti-Matter Waves.

And i don't have the impression of Takion be that strong would necessarely be inconsistent.

 

[Stefano4444]

Okay. Do you need Takion's page unlocked?

Yes.

 

[Teezar]

Why? AM its already at 2-C, possibly 2-A via scaling from Supergirl and it was already decided that he doesn't scale to his Anti-Matter Waves.

And i don't have the impression of Takion be that strong would necessarely be inconsistent.

Please how does someone not scale to his attack that isn't even amp tbh I still don't get how you guys came up with this.

 

[Stefano4444]

Please how does someone not scale to his attack that isn't even amp tbh I still don't get how you guys came up with this.

If you really want to argue for Base AM to be fully 2-A, you can make another CRT where it can be discussed.

As far i'm concern, i would rather finish to upgrade the remaning profile with the new accepted tiers and close the thread.

 

[Teezar]

I'm not pushing anything at all in his teir just don't understand how someone doesn't scare to his own attack which isn't even amp.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

If you really want to argue for Base AM to be fully 2-A, you can make another CRT where it can be discussed.

As far i'm concern, i would rather finish to upgrade the remaning profile with the new accepted tiers and close the thread.

Good, stop acting like Monitor decisively doesn’t scale then