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Huh, I stand corrected. Gonna save that link for later.
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Potential Aizen/Yhwach/Ichigo Downgrade
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^^^the thing is guys,the heat was yamji's reiatsu,so you can't apply it to actual sun,and there is also the fact yamji said his reiatsu emits 15,000,000 degress,that's way past the suns heat which if I recall is around 10,000-6000 degrees, and am going to post a calc for yamji very soon that would support his tier 6A,so could you leave him from this for a while.
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Celsius and Fahrenheit are very easily converted into joules
15000000 F = 15825804027.6 Joules
15000000 C = 28486508020.74 Joules
Both Large Building level+
15000000 F = 15825804027.6 Joules
15000000 C = 28486508020.74 Joules
Both Large Building level+
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lol,yes let us discuss if full power yama is 8-A or higher.
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Yeah multiples calcs get Yamamoto's bankai as Island level to Country level.
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Can someone remind me why base Yhwach is far superior to Shikai Kenpachi?
Also, there's some circular reasoning on Yama's bankai profile and Yhwach's base profile as both of them mention Yhwach being the only one able to handle Yama's bankai.
EDIT: Some more circular reasoning:
Ichibe: Managed to hurt Yhwach with his attacks
Yhwach: Tanked Ichibē's Senri Tsütenshō
EDIT2: There's also a bunch of circular reasoning with the Sub-Relativistic speed ratings but I'll save that for another time.
Also, there's some circular reasoning on Yama's bankai profile and Yhwach's base profile as both of them mention Yhwach being the only one able to handle Yama's bankai.
EDIT: Some more circular reasoning:
Ichibe: Managed to hurt Yhwach with his attacks
Yhwach: Tanked Ichibē's Senri Tsütenshō
EDIT2: There's also a bunch of circular reasoning with the Sub-Relativistic speed ratings but I'll save that for another time.
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Good lord this thread is long. Someone should summarize at this point.
I'm not sure what's going on with Aizen. YHWH, and Ichigo but with regards to Yamamoto the dude was calculated at barely small country level . Not once, not twice, but multiple times over by varius calculators, bleach experts, and those with an actual understanding of thermodynamics. Is even been accepted across other forums like the OBD and Naruto if I recall.
The whole reason He's rated at 6-A right now is because someone opened this thread stating a bunch of their opinions. By their own admission, they don't know calcs and there were no Bleach experts around at the time. @Dark actually tried explaining why Yama was where he was. They just kept posting the equivilant of "we want country level yamamoto" and he appears to have caved.
Only after this thread closed did Gremmy's meteor get inflated in size and Zaraki went from 8 teratons to 19 petratons. To put that in perspective Dark allowed an increase of 700% which later turned into an increase of a little over 7000000% percent without evidence.
Even if for whatever reason we applied "Should not be weaker than Zaraki" Then we would still have two different calcs to choose from. The meteor, which has been consistantly inconsistant and a controversial headache to the point Ant opened a staff only thread for it about a year ago (Yes that is how long it has been an issue) and the calc done by an experienced member which was agreed upon by most if not all experts, staff, calc team, etc at the time.
Its quite easy to see then that the only justification for using the former would be because its higher and the ones who want that one are only interested in inflating Bleach, to the detrement of its reputation in the ongoig war with Naruto etc.
P:S in anticipation of someone tying to get away from addressing this post with "Why are you bringing that up?" I'll just say I've read multiple posts wondering about it so I'm imputing some much needed information for everyone's benefit.
I'm not sure what's going on with Aizen. YHWH, and Ichigo but with regards to Yamamoto the dude was calculated at barely small country level . Not once, not twice, but multiple times over by varius calculators, bleach experts, and those with an actual understanding of thermodynamics. Is even been accepted across other forums like the OBD and Naruto if I recall.
The whole reason He's rated at 6-A right now is because someone opened this thread stating a bunch of their opinions. By their own admission, they don't know calcs and there were no Bleach experts around at the time. @Dark actually tried explaining why Yama was where he was. They just kept posting the equivilant of "we want country level yamamoto" and he appears to have caved.
Only after this thread closed did Gremmy's meteor get inflated in size and Zaraki went from 8 teratons to 19 petratons. To put that in perspective Dark allowed an increase of 700% which later turned into an increase of a little over 7000000% percent without evidence.
Even if for whatever reason we applied "Should not be weaker than Zaraki" Then we would still have two different calcs to choose from. The meteor, which has been consistantly inconsistant and a controversial headache to the point Ant opened a staff only thread for it about a year ago (Yes that is how long it has been an issue) and the calc done by an experienced member which was agreed upon by most if not all experts, staff, calc team, etc at the time.
Its quite easy to see then that the only justification for using the former would be because its higher and the ones who want that one are only interested in inflating Bleach, to the detrement of its reputation in the ongoig war with Naruto etc.
P:S in anticipation of someone tying to get away from addressing this post with "Why are you bringing that up?" I'll just say I've read multiple posts wondering about it so I'm imputing some much needed information for everyone's benefit.
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Lmao. He isn't the size of the sun. He's not emitting radiation-energy like the sun is. He's just reproducing the heat. You can easily calc that and get an accurate value. If you ignore his size you're literally ignoring basic properties of heat transfer.
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No one suggested Yamamoto to be downgraded, we simply said the core of the sun statement was Tier 8; obviously, everyone including Yama is much higher than that based on other feats.
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What's hilarious is that fake-Yhwach had to use Blut Vene constantly to avoid being turned to ashes by Yama's passive heat but all of the rubble and rocks around him doesn't have Blut Vene... Durability of random debris > fake-Yhwach?
Honestly that whole scene was ridiculous.
Honestly that whole scene was ridiculous.
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True, but it's always amusing.PaChi2 said:
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From what i have gathered the downgrade reasons i heard here and other forums, i mostly disagree with it.Dr.Fix said:
- Since Yamamoto calc is not High 6-A and all the statements that powerscaled them from the series/novels to Gremmy [Yhwach gave his power]/Kenpachi, Transformed Aizen not fearing anything and Transcendent stuff are not valuable because are statement and not facts: downgrade all the High 6-A's sans Kenpachi, Gremmy, Gerald [because knocked kenpachi in the High 6-A state] and the others from Low 6-B [lower aizen state] to 6-B [higher aizen states] and higher [for Mugetsu] based on being much higher than the Espada feats, Yamamoto Low 6-B calc and God Aizen 6-B attack.
- Hitsugaya and Byakuya gets downgraded because feats around freezing someone/slashing someone when frozen does not scale to ap.
- EoS Aizen and Horned Ichigo does not scale to Yhwach 5-C feat because the latter was extremely casual, downgrade them to at least 6-A from Aizen vaporazing large amounts of Ooze.
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Unohana has no reason to scale to High 6-A Kenpachi, does she?Peter1129 said:
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I think she does, you should check the thread for reasons.Damage3245 said:
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^6-A? no, I don't think so. That's a matter of the meteor which is neither here nor there. Scaling to post Muken Kenpachi? yes. See this thread here . There are other threads about it but they're too far back for me to look for right now. Ant closed it though pending Soldier's return so for the moment its a moot point.
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Wasn't she killed by Kenpachi before his Shikai even spoke to him? / Before he even activated his Shikai?Warren Valion said:
If his Shikai is High 6-A, it doesn't make sense for his sealed form to also be High 6-A even with his eyepatch off.
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I thought Kenpachi destroyed the meteor with Shikai and not in Base, still Yhwach being below Base Kenpachi is also wrong. Yamamoto Bankai scales to Yhwach since its power is too great that only Yhwach at the time could handle it, the latter can also fight with an Ichigo that was as strong as when he defeated Aizen.
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I think the logic being used is that two Gremmy's = a High 6-A meteor, so a single Gremmy is High 6-A normally and base Kenpachi fought a single Gremmy for a while so he is High 6-A too.Dark649 said:
But I find that kind of logical questionable.
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Summoning one clone doubled Gremmy's power, and therefore Gremmy by himself should be half of the meteor-calc, and Base Kenpachi fought cloneless Gremmy.
Making Base Kenpachi still High 6-A.
Making Base Kenpachi still High 6-A.
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Its exceddingly straight forward to be honest. What I find wrong/questionnable is that zaraki goes through 100 power ups just to reach base Unohana, then many more to reach her full power, and still is not recognized as even twice as strong. . . . then he utters his shikai release and his power multiplies 10000000 . . . .
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It is straight-forward, I just think don't think it should be used to justify High 6-A base Kenpachi and High 6-A Unohana, but I don't really want to get into a huge argument about it...
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That's fine, we're drifting off topic anyway and Ant has already made it clear he won't allow chanegs without Soldier's consent. I have to get goign as well and don't have time to elabortae right now.
That said, while its fine to have an opinion I don't think you should state you object to something without having a reason why.
That said, while its fine to have an opinion I don't think you should state you object to something without having a reason why.
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I have reasons, I'm just not sure if this thread right now is the best place to get into an argument about it.
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Dude, yes it has......alot more then you think. Stop acting like naruto hasn't had it's fair share of cancerous threads on this site.ProfessorKukui4Life said:
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Dammit I thought we were starting to get along a bit more......
Anyway base Kenpachi was fighting one Gremmy and later God Size Gerard for a bit before later using Shikai for both (and later bankai for Vollstandig God Size Gerard).
Yama is High 6-A thanks to fighting and defeating Yhwach in the past. Royd Llyod can only copy memories and personalities, his brother copies Powers.
This is the scaling chain
Dangai Ichigo and 5th Fusion Aizen scale to True Shikai Ichigo via statement
Ichigo, Aizen and Bankai Yamamoto all scale to a form of Yhwach.
High 6-A Yhwach scales from Gremmy and Kenpachi and Gerard via statement
Gerard scales from Kenpachi
Kenpachi scales to Gremmy
And Gremmy is the one who has the feat.
Anyway base Kenpachi was fighting one Gremmy and later God Size Gerard for a bit before later using Shikai for both (and later bankai for Vollstandig God Size Gerard).
Yama is High 6-A thanks to fighting and defeating Yhwach in the past. Royd Llyod can only copy memories and personalities, his brother copies Powers.
This is the scaling chain
Dangai Ichigo and 5th Fusion Aizen scale to True Shikai Ichigo via statement
Ichigo, Aizen and Bankai Yamamoto all scale to a form of Yhwach.
High 6-A Yhwach scales from Gremmy and Kenpachi and Gerard via statement
Gerard scales from Kenpachi
Kenpachi scales to Gremmy
And Gremmy is the one who has the feat.
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Be kind enough to link me such threads then? Because I look at and participate in a lot more Naruto threads than you think. Bleach isn't mentioned once in them. And even if they were, again, it would be once in a blue moon compared to Naruto being mentioned in Bleach threads.Peter "Quicksilver" Maximoff said:
You keep mentioning such threads but thats your word against others.
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one scan destroy's this whole downgrade argument
planet buster
, yhwach is multi planet buster, and if people try to add real world science to anime and manga are crazy, all of this stuff is fiction, tite kubo has stated that aizen, yhwach, and ichigo could destroy the earth.
planet buster
, yhwach is multi planet buster, and if people try to add real world science to anime and manga are crazy, all of this stuff is fiction, tite kubo has stated that aizen, yhwach, and ichigo could destroy the earth.
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Dude, yes it has......alot more then you think. Stop acting like naruto hasn't had it's fair share of cancerous threads on this site.
Be kind enough to link me such threads then? Because I look at and participate in a lot more Naruto threads than you think. Bleach isn't mentioned once in them. And even if they were, again, it would be once in a blue moon compared to Naruto being mentioned in Bleach threads.
You keep mentioning such threads but thats your word against others.
So, you think Naruto threads have never been cancerous here correct? And I'm on my phone right now, so I can't do anything else besides comment.
Be kind enough to link me such threads then? Because I look at and participate in a lot more Naruto threads than you think. Bleach isn't mentioned once in them. And even if they were, again, it would be once in a blue moon compared to Naruto being mentioned in Bleach threads.
You keep mentioning such threads but thats your word against others.
So, you think Naruto threads have never been cancerous here correct? And I'm on my phone right now, so I can't do anything else besides comment.
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Stop derailing this thread. Yes, both verses had their share of toxic threads, but that's completely off topic. I'm going to have to hakai some posts if this gets delayed further. And stop posting long quotes also.
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