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May be with MHS reflexes augmented by precognition based on Kenobi and Windu's laser deflection feat (link up there)?LordXcano said:
Also, the Hypersonic rating would apply to Grievous as well since he can contend with Jedi Masters. Plus he has actually batted away blaster fire with a lightsaber on two occasions in TCW (once during the battle of Saleucami). And in the Son of Dathomir comic (which is Disney canon), he has casually dodged blaster fire from numerous Mandalorians.
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Anakin has also blocked Dooku's surprise ************ lightning on one occasion. Dooku and Anakin were going down some escape shaft. Dooku fires his lightning at Anakin who proceeds to pull his lightsaber from his belt and then block it.LordXcano said:
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They should be left at where they are now, a lot of verses have feats that are thrown off as an inconsistency even if at happened more than a few times.
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BumpSoldier Blue said:
Someone check the feat I linked in the comment quoted here.
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You can ask here if you wish: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/463935
Most requests are not calculated however.
Most requests are not calculated however.
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^ I forgot that thread existed.
Thanks @Antvasima.
Thanks @Antvasima.
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Bump.
Gonna be away for a little while due to work and health reasons.
Please get this stuff sorted out in the mean time.
Gonna be away for a little while due to work and health reasons.
Please get this stuff sorted out in the mean time.
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^ Ditto
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Gotta agree wioth XCano and S. Blue. As well as Lina.
While sharing much the same reasoning, and another thing allot of you ignore is the the Force user's own awareness of their speed and strength advantage. While in canon they are aware of how crazy overpowered they are, they simply recognize things like vehicles and lesser weapons such as blasters and our lowly 9-C lightsabers seem to have consistency in killing them off.
They're like glass cannons, they can dish out allot, but realistically, even the highest Tiers are killable by things like blasters (Order 66) and minor cuts with saber straight up cripple Force users. For reference:
Episode II: Attack of the Clones - Obi-Wan rendered unable to fight after two mesely strikes from Dooku on his sholder and leg.
Episode III: Revenge of the Sith - Literally every Jedi death in the film + the Anakin losing to Obi-Wan
Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back - Luke is taken out by a 10-A/9-C Wampa, and succumbs to the cold. He is completely rendered useless after losing to Vader in the end fight.
Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Ironically, one of our weakest Force users, Kylo Ren, tanks Chewbacca's Tier 9-A bowcaster shot and eventually is brought down by Finn and Rey after 4 minor injuries (his soldier, arm, leg, and face)
As well as the multiple instances of human level physical injuries in the animated shows.Such as when Anakin fought that guy hitting on Padmé. Which is hard to argue if held back against him. He was beyond furious. Needless to say, he could have fodderized that guy if he wanted to, but the fact that he got hit in return is kind of odd, if we're going to insist the current statistics.
While sharing much the same reasoning, and another thing allot of you ignore is the the Force user's own awareness of their speed and strength advantage. While in canon they are aware of how crazy overpowered they are, they simply recognize things like vehicles and lesser weapons such as blasters and our lowly 9-C lightsabers seem to have consistency in killing them off.
They're like glass cannons, they can dish out allot, but realistically, even the highest Tiers are killable by things like blasters (Order 66) and minor cuts with saber straight up cripple Force users. For reference:
Episode II: Attack of the Clones - Obi-Wan rendered unable to fight after two mesely strikes from Dooku on his sholder and leg.
Episode III: Revenge of the Sith - Literally every Jedi death in the film + the Anakin losing to Obi-Wan
Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back - Luke is taken out by a 10-A/9-C Wampa, and succumbs to the cold. He is completely rendered useless after losing to Vader in the end fight.
Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Ironically, one of our weakest Force users, Kylo Ren, tanks Chewbacca's Tier 9-A bowcaster shot and eventually is brought down by Finn and Rey after 4 minor injuries (his soldier, arm, leg, and face)
As well as the multiple instances of human level physical injuries in the animated shows.Such as when Anakin fought that guy hitting on Padmé. Which is hard to argue if held back against him. He was beyond furious. Needless to say, he could have fodderized that guy if he wanted to, but the fact that he got hit in return is kind of odd, if we're going to insist the current statistics.
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@Hop
Well we do have some good superhuman durability feats for Force adepts. In TCW, we see Force adepts landing from heights of hundreds of metres and are just fine (Ahsoka, Plo Koon, Anakin, Kenobi, Quinlan Vos, Ventress). Padawan Ahsoka tanks a thermal detonator point blank back in season 1 itself. Anakin survives an explosion poweful enough to blow away a reinforced door which can likely tank a thermal detonator explosion (albeit is knocked out). Freaking Ezra takes a shot to the arm from the blaster cannon of a Droideka and those shots can singe the armour of an AT-DP. In the films, you see Kenobi and Maul falling dozens of metres and are just fine. A knocked out Kenobi is crushed by a large steel platform and wakes up later on just fine.
As for lightsabers - they can cut characters/armours with at least town level durability.
Well we do have some good superhuman durability feats for Force adepts. In TCW, we see Force adepts landing from heights of hundreds of metres and are just fine (Ahsoka, Plo Koon, Anakin, Kenobi, Quinlan Vos, Ventress). Padawan Ahsoka tanks a thermal detonator point blank back in season 1 itself. Anakin survives an explosion poweful enough to blow away a reinforced door which can likely tank a thermal detonator explosion (albeit is knocked out). Freaking Ezra takes a shot to the arm from the blaster cannon of a Droideka and those shots can singe the armour of an AT-DP. In the films, you see Kenobi and Maul falling dozens of metres and are just fine. A knocked out Kenobi is crushed by a large steel platform and wakes up later on just fine.
As for lightsabers - they can cut characters/armours with at least town level durability.
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They use the Force to cushion the fall, but in order to do that you must prepare for it. And don't forget about Force walls.
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Here's another feat/anti-feat. He can roll out of the way of an explicitly sound-based weapon. Albeit it's clear he's still slower than the shot.
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Anything new?
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So, Subsonic with MHS+ reactions was the accepted thing, or I just missed something?
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Can I ask where Hypersonic came from?
I just said MHS+ because they reacting to volt cannons. Although I found a calc for MHS Luke from that
I just said MHS+ because they reacting to volt cannons. Although I found a calc for MHS Luke from that
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@LordXcano
That's what AMM and Hop discussed. It makes sense in the canon and there's multiple displays of it.
That's what AMM and Hop discussed. It makes sense in the canon and there's multiple displays of it.
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Hypersonic came from a calc on tank blaster speed, said blasters being something Anakin can react to.AidenBrooks999 said:
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Yeah, and that is just the tip of the iceberg. Anakin and other Jedi become faster and stronger as the saga moves forward.
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There's another episode where Anakin dodges three shots in quick succession from the main canon of a tank while running at high speed towards it. This feat is especially impressive since Anakin was recovering from serious injuries at the time.LordXcano said:
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Yeah, but we can't calc that
It would be calc stacking
It would be calc stacking
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^ Right.
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So: "Subsonic with Hypersonic reactions. Massively Hypersonic (Or MHS+?) reactions when argumented by Precognition"?
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Hey, that's someting Hop can get behind. And we can always upgrade the speed in the future if we get new canon material.
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Also, Hypersonic reactions only or scale to combat speed too
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And MHS or MHS with Precog?
Because, I think we have more than enough input
Because, I think we have more than enough input
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I mean, I was checking the calcs that were linked here
And the MHS feat from Luke (It doesn't look that he used Precog, but I can be wrong)
And MHS+ are from Blasters, but we didn't just accepted those at Hypersonic?
And the MHS feat from Luke (It doesn't look that he used Precog, but I can be wrong)
And MHS+ are from Blasters, but we didn't just accepted those at Hypersonic?
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