Basic scaling, dude...
So, were these statements made before or after April 2026? Because that's just statements of Rebels Maul being weaker than he is in CW
Yeah, in Shadow Lord. He's allowed to get stronger from there.
And both the Fifth and Eighth Brothers fight Ahsoka as well. Outside statements aren't everything, and I'm not going to pretend they are. They lost just as hard as Marrok did, even.
I can't stress this enough, by the way: especially with new shit, when something was stated matters, a LOT. The most recent thing in that entire catalogue is 2023, with the runner up being 2021. And several of them are from 2018 or earlier. There is no snake talk in the world to convince me that Shadow Lord was planned that far in advance.
Well, every other time we've seen that sort of thing, force powers work, so it's weird. But yeah I'll reference it.
I'll edit refs in yeah, though SI scans are a pain in the ass since beyond him assembling his collective, it's a bunch of "Watch the ******' episode" things
Fair
Don't think Maul's are big enough, but yeah I can give Savage that.
That's not an argument.
Maul from Shadow Lord is similar to Maul from TCW; there's no statement that he gets weaker in Shadow Lord.
Ahsoka was extremely casual. We have a statement that only Vader and Sidious could truly duel her. Using her is quite bad since we have a direct statement that she is superior to everyone in that Malachor scenario (except Vader). In the same statement, she is compared to the way they dealt with Yoda in TCW, a character so strong that he can't keep appearing all the time.
To be honest, and ironically, we have a direct statement that Shadow Lord Maul is his prime.
Actually yeah, Savage would probably the only one to get Natural Weaponry. Although, that reminds me when that was how Qui Jon was going to get killed by Maul originally because Lucas decided to change it.
You're now saying Clone Wars Anakin Skywalker is fodder to Eleventh Brother and Marrok. Don't believe me? Scaling chain goes Anakin/Obi-Wan<Maul/Savage<Shadow Lord Maul<Marrok by your logic.
He still fights with a lightsaber. Like, 80% of Maul in rebels is him acting his heart out. When he needs to, he moves just as fluently as he does in Shadow Lord.
I need more than one rando WoG statement (Frankly she'd be superior to them for being able to fight Vader 1 on 1 for any decent period of time anyways but hey)
I didn't add that because 1) It's Maul, he's a sith and fear makes him stronger so he probably hid it, 2) Casual Vader. There's a reason Stormtroopers can exist by him.
You could add that what messed Maul up was his damaged legs for almost the entire season. Besides Maul's emotional state.
-We've seen Maul suffer physical pain before — namely, when he got chopped in half in "Star Wars: Episode I — The Phantom Menace." Here, however, "Maul — Shadow Lord" focuses on the lingering toll that this injury has taken on him and how it hinders his abilities. Indeed, throughout the show's first season, Maul complains about his robotic legs, limps, and even has his henchmen fix his limbs. As supervising director Brad Rau explained to /Film, the series' creatives approached this notion as a recurring theme in the story.
"What happens if his leg is injured? He doesn't get surgery, he gets mechanical repair. So, we wanted to slowly show some of those weird vulnerabilities head on in the show," Rau noted. This comes to a head during Maul's aforementioned battle with some Inquisitors, which he loses, big time. "His leg is extremely badly wounded, and the fear on his face, we wanted it to be genuine and real, like this is not going the way he wanted," Rau added.
It's an unprecedented moment of vulnerability for Maul. What's more, this franchise doesn't really do vulnerable villains in general (unless it's whiny Ben Solo, aka Kylo Ren), so getting to see this onetime Sith Lord be truly humiliated is quite refreshing and fascinating. There's even a mix of anger and fear in Sam Witwer's performance, with Maul realizing he may very well die here after having already lost everything.
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His leg is showing defects.
This WOG is supported by her ability to protect herself against a Vader who is extremely focused on killing her.
So basically Empowerment? Sure, I guess.
yeh
You could add that what messed Maul up was his damaged legs for almost the entire season. Besides Maul's emotional state.
Next:
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His leg is showing defects.
They notice Maul's leg and attack it.
This WOG is supported by her ability to protect herself against a Vader who is extremely focused on killing her.
It's mainly for better stamina, but both notable Zabraks have good stamina feats. Especially Maul.
I think the change you made is fair.
Tyranno, dude, Savage ragdolls Obi-Wan or people comparable to him literally 5 times. He pulled that off because of skill and the fact he's close enough in stats to harm them with physical blows still. He's comparable because he can surprise people, Obi-Wan's win-loss record with Maul/Savage in the clone wars is 1 W and a **** ton of losses lmfao
Genuinely don't remember his track record being that bad in the Clone Wars. Haven't watched the series since it ended.
Against Maul/Savage? Yeah he really doesn't. And anyone specifically going with him not named Anakin Skywalker tends to die.
Basically yeah, comparable to Anakin who is like 3 upscales above his CW self lmfao, then there's his OWK show self who goes toe to toe with Vader and wins. Vader at this point is like 3 more upscales above his RotS self because he is the beneficiary of infinity wank statements.
Didn't expect Disney Obi Wan to he that high in-verse. Now that I think about it, he was basically in contention for top 3 during the OWK show unless I'm missing someone besides Yoda and Palpatine.
Don't worry, Old Ben is the beneficiary of basically everything telling you he's old, less skilled, and weak lmfao
Vader was equal to him at that point in time, as for Yoda and Papa Palps... dunno, honestly. I know Vader in the show is stronger than Papa Palps in RotS, but at the same time Palpatine gets stronger over time, the Papa Palps you see in CW is inferior to RotS, RotS is inferior to a Palpatine any later, etcetera.
They fight about 4 times.
Honestly I just use the 2v1 to wank Kenobi's skill more. Sue me.
ROTS is kind of funny because everyone there is on steroids.
It's because Disney wants to maximize Anakin/Vader's appeal. So Obi-Wan ends up benefiting from that.
Vader and Sidious are the characters who most often make this kind of statement.
If the comics align, is this before or after that time Palatine basically humiliated Vader's best efforts to kill him? Because that would probably help matters since Vader killing Palpatine was treated as a realistic scenario till some time near then.
Maybe they should just be listed as comparable then?
I can't remember off the top of my head.
As I've said before and I'll say again, you don't have to be comparable to put up a fight or even win, but one can very much so be superior to the other despite damage still being done, and Kenobi was being properly overwhelmed the entire fight until he used his brain and skill to get himself out of the situation.
Yeah I took that into account, but there genuinely isn't enough of a difference for me to say that Maul should have a key he only had one fight in.
I considered that inconsistent with Qui-Gon's normal power level. You're not gonna say Obi-Wan or Phantom Menace Maul is Clone Wars Sidious-tier, are you? Cause Windu beat Mother Talzin who can clash with Papa palps in CW, with Papa Palps casually beating both Maul and Savage.
Agreed but I’d point out that Maul is matching Ahsoka in a situation he’s not trying to kill her in and in one where he’s not well adapted which I think should be noted in the page
No but it does support Maul being quite the beast, especially since Dooku and the Jedi sensed his return as a great disturbance and claimed Savage with training could reach the powers Maul had in TPM, implying Dooku doesn’t think his powers are inconsiderable
If I noted every piece of context that profile would be double the length, so... nah.
Maul killed his padawan, Dooku isn't exactly the most reliable narrator on that front.
I would too(Mostly because Windu's appearances in TCW shouldn't be giving him that scaling lol)
I threw it into Intelligence
