Possible Nanatsu No Taizai upgrade

[ZERO7772]

As everyone knows most of NNT High and Top tiers are listed as 6-C scaling from Meliodas who have feat on this scale: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...-_Feel_the_power_of_the_Dragon's_Sin_of_Wrath

The Calc was made by KamiYasha and it was agreed upon and end result for the feat was 43.40 gigatons for Mel destroying the kingdom of Danafor ~

Now the idea for this upgrade is very simple and we will just use simple scaling for the numbers:

The 6-C Feat was done by Mel who had power level of 56K at that time according to the databook and the wiki here: http://nanatsu-no-taizai.wikia.com/wiki/Meliodas#cite_note-74

Current Mel with Assult mode have power level of 142K according to the new volume extra pages that came out not long ago

Usually, the difference of 10K make the weaker character look like total joke compared to the strong one, just look at Escanor vs Galan where Galan strongest attack barely scratched Escanor who was only 10K stronger at that time

So current Mel is leagues above the Mel who destroyed kingdom of Danafor, however, since we will be assuming things because we don't exactly the difference between each character lets try to low ball them a bit and use only the numbers as listed :

56K Mel is capable of doing 43.40 gigatons damage

142 Mel is two times and a half stronger than him "if we go by numbers alone and this is extremely downplaying here like I said "

2.5 in 43.40 gigatons give you 108 gigatons

This is low-end High 6-C power

Now, who should scale to this?

Only AM Mel and Escanor The One form will scale to this upgrade

That's about it, I am not sure if we allow to use this type of scaling but I thought it may be accurate as far actual scaling goes

 

[Dark649]

This is ok for an upgrade, through the not linear powerscaling might be annoying.

 

[GalaxianAegis]

That's fine with me. I agree with the upgrade.

 

[PaChi2]

I dont agree with using Powerlevels.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I agree with PaChi2, powerlevels shouldn't be used.

What's it the sins at small city level were what 3000? And meliodas who performed the island level feat was 56,000, which would mean meliodas only got like 18x stronger, which clearly isn't true.

 

[ZERO7772]

This is why I am saying this is extremely downplayed by using literal numbers and that alone makes them High 6-C

Like I mentioned before difference of 10k make it total stomp and I am heavily downplaying here

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Still can't use power levels, it's not linear, all it proves is one guy is stronger than the other.

A more legitimate argument would be to say that due to how far into the island level gap meliodas was with his island level feat, which is about almost half way through, and the gap in the first place was only 23x, then AM Mel and Escanor The One should be High 6-C, due to scaling.

You would have to provide the scaling that puts them their of course, as it slips my mind atm.

 

[GalaxianAegis]

Looking at it more closely, I disagree with power level basis, but I think Celestial's reasoning is far better for this case.

 

[ZERO7772]

So you agree with the upgrade but disagree with using power levels for scaling? either way High 6-C for Mel and Escanor is accurate regardless of how you want to scale it

Dunno where you with the 23x from though

 

[GalaxianAegis]

@Zero Yeah, I think it's accurate, just that basing it purely in power levels is faulty.

Just the size in the gap of strength itself should be good enough.

 

[ZERO7772]

Well using power levels was the easiest way and even while extreme downplay it still provided higher result than 6-C which is why I thought of going with them

I don't mind Pegasus reasons tho but I still don't know where the x23 came from

 

[Peter1129]

Celestial is saying that the gap between the lowest and highest 6-C is only 23x so it's not that big of a stretch for Meliodas and Escanor to be High 6-C. Since Pre-Revival Demon Mark Meliodas is already like 10x Island Lvl.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Zero Attack Potency, you need to be 23.25x stronger than a baseline island level character to be large island level.

@Peter Pretty much.

 

[ZERO7772]

Oh thought you meant the difference between AM Mel and Demon Mel is 23x which throw me off on where you came with the number from

Anyway, from what I saw people are in agreement about the upgrade itself but disagree with the method used, again I was extremely downplaying by using numbers and PL and Pegasus actually backed me up even though he's against using the PL themselves he did admit that the gap must much higher than my 2.5 < which gave them High 6-C already

If so we should alter our reasoning a little, any suggestions?

 

[Peter1129]

I guess and well this is the scaling that I have so far.

The One Escanor > Assault Mode Meliodas > Late Morning Escanor > Zeldris w/ Demon King Powers > Estarossa > Pre-Revival Demon Mark Meliodas

Is this sufficient enough?

 

[ThunderClap448]

"low end High 6-C power"

you're really trying to get nnt out of that 6c hell ain't ya?

 

[ZERO7772]

I guess and well this is the scaling that I have so far.

The One Escanor > Assault Mode Meliodas > Late Morning Escanor > Zeldris w/ Demon King Powers > Estarossa > Pre-Revival Demon Mark Meliodas

Is this sufficient enough?

and every version of those can stomp the later, iirc you have to be at least twice as strong to stomp someone logically

 

[ZERO7772]

"low end High 6-C power"

you're really trying to get nnt out of that 6c hell ain't ya?

Again I am extremely downplaying so I don't get a lot of various opinions and even that get High 6-C scale

It's simple scaling really

 

[Muuuuh]

I agree, even if we do not use the numbers the powerscalling shows that they are. Melodas current stomp Estarossa, the same Estarossa that stopped with the hand a Revenge Counter of Multilevel accumulated islands, this would make the Estarossa level big island without problems, since the revenge counter sums up the power of all the attacks and still multiplies the power .

 

[ZERO7772]

So anyone else?

 

[ZERO7772]

Bumping dis

 

[Antvasima]

I agree that non-linear power levels cannot be used. We have to wait for an explicit feat from Meliodas instead.

 

[Antvasima]

We can use them as a basis for "At least..., likely higher" though.

 

[ZERO7772]

>We can use them as a basis for "At least..., likely higher" though.

They already have these, every relevant character can stomp 56K Mel now and they only need to be just twice as powerful as him to be High 6-C

Users agreed to the upgrade but disagree with the method used and said that Mel must be much stronger than only twice as before "which is the low balled I used for the High 6-C scaling"

If you still don't see this enough then this thread may be closed then ~

 

[Antvasima]

Well, if there is only a 2x difference, I suppose that an upgrade seems reasonable for Meliodas.

 

[ZERO7772]

Okay then

everyone seems to agree on the upgrade but disagree with using PL so I will just scrap the PL thing and alter the reasoning a little

I wish to get more input though, or can we proceed?

 

[Antvasima]

It is probably best to wait for input from the other staff members first.

 

[ByAsura]

Meliodas stomped Zeldris who was amped by a small portion of the Demon King's power, and even without it Zeldrids has a power of 61,000, which is higher than Estarossa's 60,000 and Meliodas' post resurrection base.

Estarossa and Zeldris are both listed as at least island level, and are superior to the Demon Meliodas who performed the feat.

Is that good enough reasoning? I'll add scans if need be.

 

[ZERO7772]

I have no problem with the reasoning really

The One stomp AM Mel, who stomp Zeldris with DK magic, who stomp Estarossa and Zeldris's base, who stomped 56K Mel

Estarossa and Zeldris themselves stomp 56K Mel and are listed as at least 6-C

 

[ByAsura]

I'll get the scans and this might be concluded.

 

[ByAsura]

This proves that Zeldris was amped at the time, Oh yeah, this does to.

Blitzed an amped Zeldris and Estarossa, alsocontainingthemwithhis sheer power alone, causing Estarossa to submit. Casually blitzedand restrainedamped Zeldris, also it should be noted that he makes total fodder out of Estarossa again.

Scaling for this section: Estarossa is comparableto Zeldris, unless he uses the Demon King's power.

StompedEscanorand nearlykilled him, blockedhis attackswith ease, and blitzedhim, who had a power level far higherthan a non amped Zeldris, Escanor, and Base Meliodas himself. Obviously he mollywhapped Meliodas when he became the one.

Now, the Gap is a little over 2.3 x from Pre Resurrection Demon Meliodas to Large Island Level, well, the Demon multiplier can cover that. Ban had all of Meliodas' power on top of his ow, and Meliodasclobber stomped him, keep in mind that the two were relative already, also keep in mind that even Base Meliodas is Superior to Demon Meliodas back then, so the gap is definitley not 2.3. Now, that's just his regular Demon form, his assault form is stronger, this is because this Demon form couldn't break out of the Dark Cocoon, however, his assault form could.

Scaling for this section: Demon Meliodas had some trouble against Derieri in their first fight, even though he was barely injured before he fought her, this possibly shows that even her non enhanced punches are comparable to him, though she definitley did use combo star, however, Combo star is nothing really, just 96 tonnes of force per punch. Hethemakesherlooklike fodderin the next one. Note: In the final scan he turns into his Demon state afterhe did that, also, he never killed Derieri, it was revealed he suppressed his power and only launched her and Monspeet away. His Base is definitley stronger.

 

[ZERO7772]

We know Mel is OP we just need more users agreeing on this so we can finally get this over with

 

[ByAsura]

I believe i added enough reasoning, do you suggest anything else?

 

[ZERO7772]

This is more than enough

 

[ByAsura]

Ok.

 

[Muuuuh]

Agree

 

[ByAsura]

Ok, i've put the reasoning in this thread here.

 

[ZERO7772]

I think we can proceed now? I doubt we are getting anymore input and this has gone long enough for minor upgrade

 

[Antvasima]

Which characters are you going to upgrade, and to what? Only Meliodas and Escanor?

 

[ByAsura]

Yes