Pokémon Trainer revisions (RPG Edition)

[The_Impress]

Well it's a major verse, so

@Antvasima Does this work? Or more staff input needed?

 

[Antvasima]

I am not sure. It seems like this has only been accepted if some of the continuities are split up first instead of using composite scaling.

 

[Arceus0x]

I am not sure. It seems like this has only been accepted if some of the continuities are split up first instead of using composite scaling.

the only composite we are arguing against is the Pokemon Masters scaling which causes an f-ton of scaling issues. Considering out profiles are generally mainline game profiles that don't have anime and manga content, we could probably just ignore Masters and add the CRT

 

[Antvasima]

the only composite we are arguing against is the Pokemon Masters scaling which causes an f-ton of scaling issues. Considering out profiles are generally mainline game profiles that don't have anime and manga content, we could probably just ignore Masters and add the CRT

Okay.

What do you think, @Elizhaa , @Starter_Pack , @The_Impress , @Firestorm808 , @JustSomeWeirdo , and @CloverDragon03 ?

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

I'm not well-informed enough on Masters

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

 

[Imaginym]

I am not sure. It seems like this has only been accepted if some of the continuities are split up first instead of using composite scaling.

Which posts are evidently in favor of this?

 

[Antvasima]

I do not recall. I just browsed through the staff comments and had that impression from them.

 

[Elizhaa]

I'm not well-informed enough on Masters

Likewise, I am not that familiar with Masters.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. So what should we do here exactly then if we do not receive a sufficient number of staff evaluations?

 

[CloverDragon03]

I'm not too knowledgeable about Masters but I do know enough that I can at least try to form an opinion on this.

Our current profiles take from the mainline games rather than supplements like Masters, so I'm fine with just going ahead and applying this. If we want to use Masters content later down the line, a separate CRT can be made for that. Off the top of my head, some potential uses of Masters scaling include scaling Red based on his statement of being "the strongest trainer in history."

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the evaluation. What do other staff members here think?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Vic and Gloria should scale to the highest level because of the DLC, yeah. Giant Palkia, Dialga, and Giratina go brr

scales to Post-Game Leon

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I really don't think a lot of us know enough about Masters here. Although I'd consider stuff like Masters and the Pokémon World Tournament to be a separate Key than the trainer's mainline game appearance. I think it's fair to say people would train up their team to match that of international trainers before participating in such event.

Although like I said elsewhere, given that some big trainers have a ridiculously large amount of keys I'd prefer if those trainers got "Varies" on their key.

 

[Lou_change]

Perhaps varies with team?

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

PWT and Masters being separate keys makes sense, imo

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Even if accepted, PWT would’ve been its own key anyway.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

bump

 

[LordTracer]

I agree with the premise of this thread, PWT and Masters should be separate keys as other people have mentioned before.

 

[GyroNutz]

Finally, Cyrus. Pokeballs don’t weaken Palkia and Dialga that much. Whichever one Rei chooses to catch with the ultra ball takes a hit from a berserk Origin Forme of the other. Which means Cyrus’s Low 2-C key should be 2-A.

The whole point of that statement on Cyrus' computer was to justify why Cyrus needed the Red Chain in the first place - without it, he wouldn't have been able to destroy everything. And yes, I know rainbow rocket Cyrus had Dialga/Palkia in a pokeball, but he only ever talks about creating a new world, not destroying everything, which is probably why Giratina never interfered.

 

[y3p_owo]

I agree with the premise of the thread, but I'm personally unsure for Mewtwo, though I am fine with Mewtwo having a separate key for Masters.

 

[Urshani]

Agreed.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

The whole point of that statement on Cyrus' computer was to justify why Cyrus needed the Red Chain in the first place - without it, he wouldn't have been able to destroy everything. And yes, I know rainbow rocket Cyrus had Dialga/Palkia in a pokeball, but he only ever talks about creating a new world, not destroying everything, which is probably why Giratina never interfered.

While that's true, Dialg/Palkia in a pokeball still could take hits fom the berserk Origin Forme of the other

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

While that's true, Dialg/Palkia in a pokeball still could take hits fom the berserk Origin Forme of the other

Yeah, that did happen which means the Pokeballs either didn't nerf them back then or the nerf isn't actually that bad in the first place.

 

[theultimate5105]

Yeah, that did happen which means the Pokeballs either didn't nerf them back then or the nerf isn't actually that bad in the first place.

Or its possible the older Model of Pokeballs which are 100% confirmed to work through shrinking did not nerf them.

 

[Antvasima]

So can somebody explain the staff conclusions here so far please?

 

[Sniper670]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

So can somebody explain the staff conclusions here so far please?

 

[Imaginym]

Even if accepted, PWT would’ve been its own key anyway.

Given @Antvasima 's recently asked question of you, in this thread of your creation, would you feel confident taking on the responsibility of providing a summary of "Staff Input" here, or do you feel there is a user better suited to such a task?

 

[rainheart]

Hoopa can Manipulate Hyperspace and make it a technique.

️: "How come you got HDM, even though there's no indication???"

It can be seen in the Vsbw explanation in the "Tiering System" why 1-B is given the name Hypersverse if you want complete clarity.

Hyper in the word Mathematics (if I'm not mistaken) is a word to refer to a layer that is Higher Then It.

Hyperspace=Higher Space.
Why did Arceus get this? Because Pokemon's power comes from arceus.

Plate is the origin of the power of all the Pokemon in the world.

:

"When the universe was created, its shards became this Plate."
"The power of defeated giants infuses this Plate."
"Two beings of time and space set free from the Original One."
"Three beings were born to bind time and space."
"Two make matter and three make spirit, shaping the world."
"The Original One breathed alone before the universe came."
"The powers of Plates are shared among Pokémon."
"The rightful bearer of a Plate draws from the Plate it holds."

That's it.
Do guys thinks this valid

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

"Hyperverse" is nothing more than a term to classify verses with cosmologies with 12 to any higher finite number of dimensions

Pokémon does NOT have 12 dimensions in its multiverse

 

[CloverDragon03]

Hoopa can Manipulate Hyperspace and make it a technique.

️: "How come you got HDM, even though there's no indication???"

It can be seen in the Vsbw explanation in the "Tiering System" why 1-B is given the name Hypersverse if you want complete clarity.

Hyper in the word Mathematics (if I'm not mistaken) is a word to refer to a layer that is Higher Then It.

Hyperspace=Higher Space.
Why did Arceus get this? Because Pokemon's power comes from arceus.

Plate is the origin of the power of all the Pokemon in the world.

:

"When the universe was created, its shards became this Plate."
"The power of defeated giants infuses this Plate."
"Two beings of time and space set free from the Original One."
"Three beings were born to bind time and space."
"Two make matter and three make spirit, shaping the world."
"The Original One breathed alone before the universe came."
"The powers of Plates are shared among Pokémon."
"The rightful bearer of a Plate draws from the Plate it holds."

That's it.
Do guys thinks this valid

This is a case of a Naming Fallacy, Hoopa having attacks called "Hyperspace Hole" and "Hyperspace Fury" don't indicate it being Hyperverse level, especially when no one is remotely close to this in the verse itself

 

[Antvasima]

Gilad is correct.

@rainheart

You do not seem knowledgeable and experienced enough to participate in content revision threads without being disruptive yet, and should preferably not take part in them anymore until you have learned a lot more about our standards and conventions.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Bump. Back from being sent to a Psych Ward for a Week. Let me address anything not addressed fully:

Yeah... Crown Tundra and the Giant Legendaries makes any E4 to Champion Level Galarian Trainer Tier 2. Which Cal addressed.

There was something like a Champion's Tournament which implied all the main Champions are roughly on the same wavelength as of Galar (as the announcer implied the Champions could keep up with a Gloria/Victor who just beat Leon.

USUM's Giovanni's Mewtwo wasn't mega amped. He's just a way stronger Mewtwo who bonded with Giovanni. That's USUM Giovanni's Pokemon Masters Mewtwo. He has a completely different level of an amp. Masters would upscale Red above any Canon Trainer not Masters, Because of this Masters most likely needs it's own key and a different thread altogether to sort out. Since I cleared a lot of the game and possess a lot of scans I don't mind being the one to address this once required.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Hahahhahahahhaah what a ******* joke of a post, and a joke of a person who wrote this, kill me

Stuff like this is not appreciated, so please cut it out.

 

[Sniper670]

Bump. Back from being sent to a Psych Ward for a Week. Let me address anything not addressed fully:

Yeah... Crown Tundra and the Giant Legendaries makes any E4 to Champion Level Galarian Trainer Tier 2. Which Cal addressed.

There was something like a Champion's Tournament which implied all the main Champions are roughly on the same wavelength as of Galar (as the announcer implied the Champions could keep up with a Gloria/Victor who just beat Leon.

USUM's Giovanni's Mewtwo wasn't mega amped. He's just a way stronger Mewtwo who bonded with Giovanni. That's USUM Giovanni's Pokemon Masters Mewtwo. He has a completely different level of an amp. Masters would upscale Red above any Canon Trainer not Masters, Because of this Masters most likely needs it's own key and a different thread altogether to sort out. Since I cleared a lot of the game and possess a lot of scans I don't mind being the one to address this once required.

Tier 2 Mewtwo? I.... I can't believe it

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Tier 2 Mootoo is based

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Stuff like this is not appreciated, so please cut it out.

I'm aware of who it is. He doesn't bother me with it. If he wants to speak to me he will on Discord. But until then you don't need to address it.

 

[CloverDragon03]

I'm aware of who it is. He doesn't bother me with it. If he wants to speak to me he will on Discord. But until then you don't need to address it.

I don't know who this guy is like you do so I'll take your word for it, but still, unless it's some kinda inside joke that's just wrong

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I don't know who this guy is like you do so I'll take your word for it, but still, unless it's some kinda inside joke that's just wrong

He's... an Mirror image of me in many ways.