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Pokémon Thread: Eternatus Edition
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"Infinite energy" is more like "infinite power on a 3D level, which like I said before, doesn't translate to low 2C. The qualifications for the latter requires a lot more than that.
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Eternatus canRobot972 said:
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Porygon resists Power Mimicry
Copycat can copy moves from Porygon
Dragon tail cannot be copied by Copycat
Me First can copy Dragon Tail
Thief cannot be copied by Me First
Mimicry can copy Thief
Metronome can't be copied with Mimicry
Sketch can copy Mimicry
Chatter can't be copied by Sketch
Mirror Move and Transform can copy Chatter
Shadow Pokemons cannot be copied with Transform
Would you look at dem layers of Power Mimicry and Power Mimicry Resistance for Shadow Mons
Copycat can copy moves from Porygon
Dragon tail cannot be copied by Copycat
Me First can copy Dragon Tail
Thief cannot be copied by Me First
Mimicry can copy Thief
Metronome can't be copied with Mimicry
Sketch can copy Mimicry
Chatter can't be copied by Sketch
Mirror Move and Transform can copy Chatter
Shadow Pokemons cannot be copied with Transform
Would you look at dem layers of Power Mimicry and Power Mimicry Resistance for Shadow Mons
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There's not really any reasons for it being just a caveat.
also a move being able to copy something another one can't seems more better potency to me
also a move being able to copy something another one can't seems more better potency to me
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and the resistance part was referring only to Shadow Pokemons
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@PaChi
That's headcanon, there's no evidence supporting that's why Trasform can't copy them
That's headcanon, there's no evidence supporting that's why Trasform can't copy them
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The thing about Thief and Me First not being able to copy this move might be that it's a move that depends a lot on this:
"The user attacks and steals the target's held item simultaneously. The user can't steal anything if it already holds an item."
"The user attacks and steals the target's held item simultaneously. The user can't steal anything if it already holds an item."
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@Neo
You can still use Thief with an item and that was only an exemple, there's more moves that Me First can't copy that Mimicry can
@PaChi
1. Nothing AT ALL implies what you are saying
2. It's Completly false, Ditto can use Trasform on artifically modified pokemons like Mewtwo, Genesect and the Galar Fossils and even 100% artificially made Pokemons like Porygon and Castform
You can still use Thief with an item and that was only an exemple, there's more moves that Me First can't copy that Mimicry can
@PaChi
1. Nothing AT ALL implies what you are saying
2. It's Completly false, Ditto can use Trasform on artifically modified pokemons like Mewtwo, Genesect and the Galar Fossils and even 100% artificially made Pokemons like Porygon and Castform
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"Shadow Pokémon are created through an undisclosed process that removes the Pokémon's emotions, turning it into a soulless fighting machine. Ei, creator of the process and Cipher's head scientist at the time of Colosseum, refers to this process as "shutting the door to their hearts". "
Ditto can't replicate that.
And that's all there is to it.
It doesnt matter if ditto can use transform on others. The fact is that he cant replicate that especific modification. Its a limitation.
I didnt mean that ditto cant use transform on artificial or modificated mons. I said that he couldnt replicate the modification that was performed on the shadow pokemon.
Also, I dont know if you mean "resistance" as in "ditto cant become a shadow pokemon" or because "ditto cant even trasnform in a normal version of a shadow pokemon", because the latter is just game mechanics as ditto has proven to be able to transform on memories alone.
Ditto can't replicate that.
And that's all there is to it.
It doesnt matter if ditto can use transform on others. The fact is that he cant replicate that especific modification. Its a limitation.
I didnt mean that ditto cant use transform on artificial or modificated mons. I said that he couldnt replicate the modification that was performed on the shadow pokemon.
Also, I dont know if you mean "resistance" as in "ditto cant become a shadow pokemon" or because "ditto cant even trasnform in a normal version of a shadow pokemon", because the latter is just game mechanics as ditto has proven to be able to transform on memories alone.
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Ditto can replicate Banette, who's alive only because of sheer hatred and grudge
So no, he can duplicate beings of different emotional states
So no, he can duplicate beings of different emotional states
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Now if you stopped using litteral headcanon and instead did an actual argument, that would be appriciated
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I ment the formerPaChi2 said:
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I mean, calling my argument headcanon wont make it headcanon, but ok.Overlord775 said:
I say "Ditto cant do that because it cant copy whatever they did to them"
You say "Ditto cant do that because they have a special ability that's not stated anywhere that allowes them to avoid being copied" <--- note that this is the NLF mentality that asumes that Ditto can copy everything and if they cant, it must be a resistance.
In other words, you gotta prove somehow that they were aiming for that ability.
Just saying, I'd appreciate it if you didnt twist my words the next time. Thank you.
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You say it's because of a limitation of Ditto's ability, but that was never even hinted, so it's headcanon on your part.
An ability not being called is not needed, most of the times resistances aren't named out
Shadow Pokemons are the only instance where Ditto's ability complety failed, nothing else, even souls, beings of data, dolls animated by sheer hatred and even frikkin living black holes can be replicated.
hell, Ditto can even copy emotional states as shown by the fact he can mimic Abilities such as Moxie, Anger Point or Berserk, which are dependant on the user's personality.
An ability not being called is not needed, most of the times resistances aren't named out
Shadow Pokemons are the only instance where Ditto's ability complety failed, nothing else, even souls, beings of data, dolls animated by sheer hatred and even frikkin living black holes can be replicated.
hell, Ditto can even copy emotional states as shown by the fact he can mimic Abilities such as Moxie, Anger Point or Berserk, which are dependant on the user's personality.
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uhhhhhhhh, ok
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Any of you want to double (or triple or quadruple or whatever) check the list of stuff you can't do to Eternatus, here's a list of all moves available in Sw/Sh
Additionally, Base form Eternatus should have either Electricity or Technology manip, via short-circuiting a commercial airliner with its mere presence.
Additionally, Base form Eternatus should have either Electricity or Technology manip, via short-circuiting a commercial airliner with its mere presence.
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That's akin to Passive Technological Manipulation
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Probably source coding and whatnot.
Also, the Eternatus profile was prematurely made. Tier 3 and 2 need to be removed as we discussed above. Also, I don't think the Power Null really needs its own tabber. That can still be put into the Eternamax tabber. Dynamax needs to be moved to its Eternamax tabber as well but there can be a mention it passively nulls it.
Zacian splitting the ocean might be Continental or something like that because I remember a similar feat getting calced at High 6-A.
Also, the Eternatus profile was prematurely made. Tier 3 and 2 need to be removed as we discussed above. Also, I don't think the Power Null really needs its own tabber. That can still be put into the Eternamax tabber. Dynamax needs to be moved to its Eternamax tabber as well but there can be a mention it passively nulls it.
Zacian splitting the ocean might be Continental or something like that because I remember a similar feat getting calced at High 6-A.
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I feel like this was what the Pokémon anime series should've been like all this time.
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I like how she's sparring with her Machamp there as well.
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Am I the only one who doesn't see the point on these mini-series (this one, Origins, Generations)? Only the Strongest Mega Evolution special actually served a porpose, these just seem to be a waste of time.
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Their purpose is entertainment and promotion of the Pokémon brand, I'd say it's probably doing both alright
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Given how extremely rushed Origins was, I wouldn't say it did that "alright".
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Origins was some sort of anniversary special thing designed to tickle the gen one nostalgia bone, I think it succeeded their.
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