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Hi there. Because im still new here, I don't know if what im about to post for this thread has been talked about, consdered, or just denied before. Im told the speed rating used to be here for the Pokemon god tiers for different reasons but was removed. Whatever the case, I did some searching through old material and I found some new stuff that I thought should be at least given a thread to talk about. Here goes.
Now to obtain Immeasurable Speed using this sites requirements, you have to be able to either be beyond time or move beyond linear time with sheer speed. The things I found go in hand with the latter.
In Pokemon Mystery Dunegon, both Darkrai and Palkia perform feats that should go in hand with moving beyond linear time. Getting to Darkrai first, then Palkia. And here is the episode in the game where they come from.
For Darkrai, his feat comes from his assault on the player and Grovyle. Darkrai attacked both the Player and Grovyle while they were in the middle of traveling through time from the future as Darkrai's the reason the player was sent to the past as a pokemon in the first place.
For Palkia, his feat comes from attacking Darkrai the same way. After getting an L from Cresselia, the player and their partner, Darkrai opens a dimensional hole to let him travel through time in an attempt to escape. While escaping, Palkia drops by out of nowhere and attacks the dimensional hole with Darkrai still inside. The dimensional hole being used i'll explain right after as I expect that to be brought up.
Want to keep this short as I can cuz this is already one hell of an essay. Because of Palkia's part of this upgrade post, there's likely already going to be some doubt for Darkrai because of him using a dimensional hole later on. And because I can already predict the possible counters, im just post rebuttals and keep it simple.
Rebuttal 1: "Darkrai used a Dimensional Portal to escape the players and Cresselia, so it's likely he also used it to attack the Protagonist and Grovyle while they were time traveling."
Counter: Not neccesarily true. While it is true that Darkrai can open dimensional holes himself for time traveling, there's evidence to imply Darkrai isn't able to actually control or determine where the portal takes him between the past and future. When trying to escape Cresselia, the protagonist and partner, Darkrai explicitly says that he doesn't even know where the portal will take him between the past and future.
That gives us reason to say Darkrai cannot actually control where the dimensional hole will take him through time. So as for Darkrai attacking the player and Grovyle mid time-traveling, if you're making this counter-argument, answer me this. Why would Darkrai intentfully use a hax he can't even fully control to try stopping 2 beings who pose a serious threat to his plan?
Unless you want to make a speculative argument that Darkrai just, suddently, "got lucky" enough to dimensional hole himself to Grovyle and the player to attack them, common sense would say Darkrai wouldn't be stupid enough to risk his plan of wrapping the world in darkness by purposely using an ability he himself knows can easily do more harm to his goals than good.
Counter 2: "Then why did Darkrai try using the dimensional hole to escape Cresselia and the player's team if he can't control it?"
For a clean escape, and, for being weakened. Simple as that.
After creating the dimensional hole, Darkrai outright showed us and those 3 he didn't care where the hole would take him for he would simply just plunge the world into darkness and complete his plan in the time period he ends up in. The only thing that mattered to Darkrai was escaping from the 3.
Not only to get away, but beause he was also very weakened. Darkrai had just literally got his ass kicked by the player, their partner, and Cresselia, Darkrai's polar equal on her lonesome. For a hax that he can use, but cannot fully control, it should not be out of left field to say Darkrai would only use the dimensional hole as a last resort. When he absolutely needs it. Which this situation easily calls for.
So if there are no other actual issues, I think Darkrai and Palkia should be granted Immeasurable Speed again based off this, and the mon who scale of course.
Also, just a small bonus. I think Palkia's Nigh Omnipresence needs to be discussed again based on this. Because when Darkrai gets hit by Palkias attack in the dimensional hole, Palkia outright confirms Darkrai still lives but just in a random place in a different time.
As Cresselia herself said, Darkrai began time-traveling the moment he entered the dimensional hole, so whether going to the future or past, we know he was going through time. Yet, even after getting banish treatment and ending up in a place unknown, through time, Palkia confirms that Darkrai still lives.
This implies Palkia's spatial omnipresence is also throughout time as well, otherwise there would be no way for Palkia to confirm if Darkrai was alive or not. So..
TL;DR: Upgrade the god tiers to Immeasurable Speed via Darkrai and Pakia and also relook at Palkai's nigh omnipresence to see if it needs upgrading as well.
Now to obtain Immeasurable Speed using this sites requirements, you have to be able to either be beyond time or move beyond linear time with sheer speed. The things I found go in hand with the latter.
In Pokemon Mystery Dunegon, both Darkrai and Palkia perform feats that should go in hand with moving beyond linear time. Getting to Darkrai first, then Palkia. And here is the episode in the game where they come from.
For Darkrai, his feat comes from his assault on the player and Grovyle. Darkrai attacked both the Player and Grovyle while they were in the middle of traveling through time from the future as Darkrai's the reason the player was sent to the past as a pokemon in the first place.
For Palkia, his feat comes from attacking Darkrai the same way. After getting an L from Cresselia, the player and their partner, Darkrai opens a dimensional hole to let him travel through time in an attempt to escape. While escaping, Palkia drops by out of nowhere and attacks the dimensional hole with Darkrai still inside. The dimensional hole being used i'll explain right after as I expect that to be brought up.
Want to keep this short as I can cuz this is already one hell of an essay. Because of Palkia's part of this upgrade post, there's likely already going to be some doubt for Darkrai because of him using a dimensional hole later on. And because I can already predict the possible counters, im just post rebuttals and keep it simple.
Rebuttal 1: "Darkrai used a Dimensional Portal to escape the players and Cresselia, so it's likely he also used it to attack the Protagonist and Grovyle while they were time traveling."
Counter: Not neccesarily true. While it is true that Darkrai can open dimensional holes himself for time traveling, there's evidence to imply Darkrai isn't able to actually control or determine where the portal takes him between the past and future. When trying to escape Cresselia, the protagonist and partner, Darkrai explicitly says that he doesn't even know where the portal will take him between the past and future.
That gives us reason to say Darkrai cannot actually control where the dimensional hole will take him through time. So as for Darkrai attacking the player and Grovyle mid time-traveling, if you're making this counter-argument, answer me this. Why would Darkrai intentfully use a hax he can't even fully control to try stopping 2 beings who pose a serious threat to his plan?
Unless you want to make a speculative argument that Darkrai just, suddently, "got lucky" enough to dimensional hole himself to Grovyle and the player to attack them, common sense would say Darkrai wouldn't be stupid enough to risk his plan of wrapping the world in darkness by purposely using an ability he himself knows can easily do more harm to his goals than good.
Counter 2: "Then why did Darkrai try using the dimensional hole to escape Cresselia and the player's team if he can't control it?"
For a clean escape, and, for being weakened. Simple as that.
After creating the dimensional hole, Darkrai outright showed us and those 3 he didn't care where the hole would take him for he would simply just plunge the world into darkness and complete his plan in the time period he ends up in. The only thing that mattered to Darkrai was escaping from the 3.
Not only to get away, but beause he was also very weakened. Darkrai had just literally got his ass kicked by the player, their partner, and Cresselia, Darkrai's polar equal on her lonesome. For a hax that he can use, but cannot fully control, it should not be out of left field to say Darkrai would only use the dimensional hole as a last resort. When he absolutely needs it. Which this situation easily calls for.
So if there are no other actual issues, I think Darkrai and Palkia should be granted Immeasurable Speed again based off this, and the mon who scale of course.
Also, just a small bonus. I think Palkia's Nigh Omnipresence needs to be discussed again based on this. Because when Darkrai gets hit by Palkias attack in the dimensional hole, Palkia outright confirms Darkrai still lives but just in a random place in a different time.
As Cresselia herself said, Darkrai began time-traveling the moment he entered the dimensional hole, so whether going to the future or past, we know he was going through time. Yet, even after getting banish treatment and ending up in a place unknown, through time, Palkia confirms that Darkrai still lives.
This implies Palkia's spatial omnipresence is also throughout time as well, otherwise there would be no way for Palkia to confirm if Darkrai was alive or not. So..
TL;DR: Upgrade the god tiers to Immeasurable Speed via Darkrai and Pakia and also relook at Palkai's nigh omnipresence to see if it needs upgrading as well.