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Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc
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i think in theory it means that it flips the world upside down for you, not in general
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I said that because the early gen seismic toss animation is throwing what appears to be a planet at the opponent
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Is what I have enough you think also school is ending for me to so I might try to help with the editing.
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What is this from?
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It's a light novel written by Takeshi shudo. It was never released outside Japan but I found a fan translation of it.
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sick, who tf is that guy
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Guy who did the anime. The novel was writen as his Idea of the background behind the anime, though as someone who was only brought on to do the anime and with the novel being released after he departed from the anime, it's not canon in any form.
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I see no reason for it to be non canon. Book was released in 1997 when he was working on the anime
It's an in depth retelling of Ash's journey, but he writes brief (and very interesting), info about Pokémon at the end of it.
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If anyone is interested in reading
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As far as I can tell, it's just text on a screen? How can we be sure it's an actual novel excerpt?
This info makes me concerned that it is non-canon, considering the author stopped working on the anime. Also, it may not be clear how well it aligns with the anime. We should check for notable evidence where it aligns with or contradicts the anime as is, after his work.
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Isn't that the book that says 10 year olds are canonically adults hence why they're allowed to do whatever the hell?
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The novel was written while he was working on the anime. He left 4-5 years later. How does that invalidate all his works. Lol
Let me repeat myself. The novel is basically Ash's journey
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From what I've read, Ash doesn't get the three starters in the novel.
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Scratch that. Can't do it because autoconfirmed. Whatever that is
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Not saying it's canonically inconsistent
Just that it's kinda gross once you realize what that entails
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so about 22 hours left
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hopefully, can't wait for new pokemon and i hope i get to see some new feats this game.
I am also excited for the mechanics in this game.
Additionally, i personally hope for the legendaries to have their own unique feats so we can have them have unique tiers, such as High 6-B or 6-A, maybe 5-C or even 5-A. It probably won't go beyond tier 6 but i just want to see someone who doesn't end up scaling to currently existing feats
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Hi! I'm new to this forum. I've followed it occasionally for quite a bit as a visitor and now I've finally decided to make an account to write something too. I've seen that Arceus has been recently promoted on the Low-1C Tier, but it is considered useless because he doesn't have feats in this tier, and all his power and hax are maximum 4D (so at max 2-A). But isn't that wrong actually? We know from the Flame plate that:
"The power of defeated giants infuses this Plate."
From this, we know that the Original One has defeated these Giants, creatures that have never been clearly explained in the Pokémon series. Anyway, we know from the Meadow plate that:
"The powers of Plates are shared among Pokémon."
Which means, as we already know, that the Giants' powers were the types (elements) and that they have been used by Arceus to create the Pokémon (or better, give them powers). But when did this happen? Reading the Earth plate:
"When the universe was created, its shards became this Plate."
We can see that the plates, infused with the powers of the elements, have been created during the creation of the universe, which means that the battle between the Original One and the Giants happened before the creation of the Pokémon universe.
The only strange thing is that, reading the Mind plate:
"The Original One breathed alone before the universe came."
There should be no one other than Arceus present before the creation, but it's clear that this is not true. Maybe the Giants came from a place outside the Chaos (which seems to be absurd since the concept of space itself still didn't exist) or more likely there is a different reason that, if we are fortunate, we will discover in the future games.
Anyway, before the universe was created there has been a moment when the Original One faced 17 Giants, defeated all of them, and absorbed their power. Then he created the universe and infused part of this power in the remaining fragment of the creation as written on the Earth plate.
Given all of this, the Giants should be the considered existence similar to the Original One (so same Tier) with all power and hax of the plates (since it's their power) and so Arceus since has beaten and absorbed them should have enough feats to maintain all the powers and hax in its page even after the upgrade in Tier right?
Sorry for the wall of text, it came out longer than I've initially imagined.
Disclaimer: I'm literally the last arrived in this forum so I'm not trying in any way to make a CRT (I don't even know if I am allowed to create one), this is more a way to make present something that I've seen no one talk about before in the previous threads that I read.
"The power of defeated giants infuses this Plate."
From this, we know that the Original One has defeated these Giants, creatures that have never been clearly explained in the Pokémon series. Anyway, we know from the Meadow plate that:
"The powers of Plates are shared among Pokémon."
Which means, as we already know, that the Giants' powers were the types (elements) and that they have been used by Arceus to create the Pokémon (or better, give them powers). But when did this happen? Reading the Earth plate:
"When the universe was created, its shards became this Plate."
We can see that the plates, infused with the powers of the elements, have been created during the creation of the universe, which means that the battle between the Original One and the Giants happened before the creation of the Pokémon universe.
The only strange thing is that, reading the Mind plate:
"The Original One breathed alone before the universe came."
There should be no one other than Arceus present before the creation, but it's clear that this is not true. Maybe the Giants came from a place outside the Chaos (which seems to be absurd since the concept of space itself still didn't exist) or more likely there is a different reason that, if we are fortunate, we will discover in the future games.
Anyway, before the universe was created there has been a moment when the Original One faced 17 Giants, defeated all of them, and absorbed their power. Then he created the universe and infused part of this power in the remaining fragment of the creation as written on the Earth plate.
Given all of this, the Giants should be the considered existence similar to the Original One (so same Tier) with all power and hax of the plates (since it's their power) and so Arceus since has beaten and absorbed them should have enough feats to maintain all the powers and hax in its page even after the upgrade in Tier right?
Sorry for the wall of text, it came out longer than I've initially imagined.
Disclaimer: I'm literally the last arrived in this forum so I'm not trying in any way to make a CRT (I don't even know if I am allowed to create one), this is more a way to make present something that I've seen no one talk about before in the previous threads that I read.
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I mean yes they should be the same level
Wait a second. This means that since they are of comparable existence to The Heart, Arceus’s hax in his Low 1-C key is now Low 1-C
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Wait Arceus is tier 1? Since when?
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Yes, It's what I'm trying to say. Since they all come from before the creation of the universe, they are all of similar level and so this means that Arceus has actually a feat at Low-1C tier.
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He is only fodder because his hax isn’t Low 1-C for some reason
but with this (effecting other Low 1-C beings with it and the source of most of his Hax also being Low 1-C) he would not be fodder
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Yes, there is almost nothing about them, but we know that they have all the powers of their respective plate and they come from before the creation of the universe, and so are comparable to the Original One. This should be enough as a feat for Arceus.
