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Why would you oppose it if you haven't seen the evidence, that's like delusion
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Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc
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Sniper670
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I fully support this. All power belongs to you
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because no way in hell am i allowing 2-C mega evolutions and 4-A secondaries
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Even if there's evidence? And its not second evo, its final evo
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Wait, only a little correction:
Lechonk > Regidrago > all dragon type Pokemon including eternatus who is > original spirit
Ok, now is perfect.
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yes, no amount of evidence will outweigh the counterevidence
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Can you name the counterevidence
Sniper670
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Hopefully llama gets yeeted out of low 1C. He has no business there (for now)
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Arceus literally created dragon types and everything. The statement is vague af and "powers" Isn't "attack potency".
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No, he shared power with them. It is possible for someone to create something, then that thing grows stronger over time
All the powers of all dragon pokemon include their AP. To say AP isn't power is incredibly absurd
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Hell no, powers =/= power. And there's no feats to put regidrago at 2-A.
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Why is powers =/= power? Regidrago can harm Cinderace, who can survive hits from Eternatus who I already explained is > UBs > Original spirit. All low 2-C and above feats require a statement, if you think these statements are hyperbole I can say everything tier 2 for Pokemon comes from feats backed up by statements, and I can say they're invalid
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Your explanation is garbage and is based on your own headcanons which haven't been ever accepted. You ub argument has been countered like 50 times already and is bullshit in on itself. Not to mention Eternatus, especially a wild one, has never shown to be above ultra beasts.
If you're gonna try and push through whatever is in your head then make a CRT and stop annoying everyone with your crackpot scaling or else I'll deadass report you
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Prove its garbage
You never countered that
I told you why Eternatus scales above that. Also you're being rude for no reason
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It stinks of wank and the fact that you completely ignore the concept of outliers and PIS
I did and you just did what you always do, stop responding when you know you cannot respond
I don't care what you said. I say he doesn't and he's at best High 6-A.
I am being rude because I'm sick of you making Outliers and PIS out to be something usable.
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why is it wank, why is it PIS or outlier
You just said "no feats" but the statement is fine
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I was joking
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sorry man this stuff gets on my sense of irony. Arguing with XXKING makes me just completely disregard the concepts of sarcasm and irony due to the stuff he likes to say.
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because it is a feat never replicated in potency and can be performed by pokemon who haven't shown any feat beyond tier 8-7. This is literally the basics of outlier.
Not to mention that shiz like the whole moonlight ordeal can be easily explained away by light manipulation and such.
Most fights where shiz like a "trained" swinub hurts a 2-A deity when he hasn't shown anything besides fighting a pokemon who has 6-B feats at best are clearly outliers/PIS. Using that as basis is completely illogical.
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The statement is more than enough, and there's no need for them to have other feats when 1 is enough. The tier 7 feats don't contradict this
Swinub fighting someone who has 6-B feats doesn't mean he's 6-B. Giratina has fought pokemon with no feats beyond tier 9. Kyurem doesn't even have feats above this without scaling
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Nah it ain't
That just means there's more outliers.
Legendaries scaling to non-CT legendaries is overall fair game.
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Why are there more outliers
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because they f up they scaling and surpass everything they've done before by an infinite margin
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Ok, explain with scans why it "f up they scaling" and how does surpassing everything they do by an infinite margin matter? The lake trio haven't done anything 2-A or above tier 9, but you rate it as 2-B to 2-A. So does cresselia. No Ultra Beast has anything above Tier 8 but you rate them as 3-C or high 3-A
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Wait, you were saying until now that Ultra Beasts are superior to the Creation Trio and the Original One without giving any explanation, and now you say the opposite and that they don't have any feats?
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I explained it a while ago, power that rivals mythical pokemon is needed to combat the UBs
When I said "feats" I meant without scaling
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Ultra beasts fight Tapus, tapus clashed with Solgaleo and Lunala (Solgaleo ate the sun) and Necrozma did the 3-C/High 3-A feats. They're in the same game and they overall scale. Lake trio have countered 2-B/2-A blasts before and they have ingame lore that suggests that they are on a level slightly below the CT.
Cresselia and Darkrai i don't like them in tier 2 but Darkrai has a 2-C feat so at the very least its consistent that they're tier 2.
Meanwhile no normal pokemon has a reasonable scaling chain like this and they are consistently tier 7
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Those are scaling feats. Swinub cefeated a tier 2, so he's tier 2
The pokemon that defeated Darkrai were going to die at the end of Pokepark shown here, implying Darkrai's durability and striking power with other attacks don't scale to it
So has pryce's swinub, except he took no damage
Doing tier 7 feats with ease isn't a limit. Pokemon have more tier 9 feats than tier 7
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at this point XXKING has ignored my main points. I can see clear signs that he specifically replying to the parts that aren't the main argument, ignoring that CT, Darkrai and Cresselia and UBs have specific lore supporting their cause and jumping straight to the statements that simply support their cause. The only good argument was for Darkrai and even then that just means that PMD logic is used there and pokemon there specifically are following JRPG rules of becoming as strong as the plot needed them to be. Darkrai being capable of fusing universes and the darkvoid ignoring dura are two separate things.
Anyways, i will stop replying now for the simple reason that i don't want to argue with someone who specifically nitpicks my words while ignoring the more important parts of the argument. This isn't a concession, im just gonna stop putting up with this BS.
Anyways, i will stop replying now for the simple reason that i don't want to argue with someone who specifically nitpicks my words while ignoring the more important parts of the argument. This isn't a concession, im just gonna stop putting up with this BS.
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Honestly, this could just be referring to the fact that Type:Null was created to match the UBs, you know, Pokemon that were told in myths and legends in the Alola region
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Well, you have created a scaling list before. And being comparable to Mythical pokémon doen't mean being superior to CT and Arceus. Even Shaymin is a Mythical pokémon after all. That only say that Silvally and UBs have power comparable to generic Mythical and Legendary pokémon.
