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Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc

I will say that the fact that hyper beam takes more energy than weather attacks is important since that would mean that the AP used to use weather dance and such could probably be used to scale them to that AP
 
I will say that the fact that hyper beam takes more energy than weather attacks is important since that would mean that the AP used to use weather dance and such could probably be used to scale them to that AP
Yes definitely, and I think I'll add that to a lot of profiles so these reddit "battleboarders" understand why Pokemon scale to their weather creation
 
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here's some stuff that proves that while pp doesn't work exactly the same as it does in the games, it does exist to an extent and moves like thunder take more energy to handle and moves like spite can lower it
 
Anyways, I think I might just add the other verse wide massive Pokemon changes to the same CRT as the Tier 1 avatar Arceus one, unless you guys think I should split them. I'll give a summary of the proposals and a small summary of the reasons (not all the reasons, there's more, but you'll have to wait for the CRT):

1) Supporting evidence for weather/creation feats of Pokemon scaling to their AP
  • The Hyperbeam example, and what Arceus0x sent
2) Arceus' avatars being Low 1-C, along with the Creation Trio being tier 1
  • Arceus has the ability to create 3D objects with the power of the original spirit,
  • His avatar is literally stated to have the power of all creation, which would include his low 1-C realm
3) Ultra Beasts scaling to the Creation Trio and Darkrai
  • There is a certain person in the Aether Foundation who uses technology that has created clones of the Creation Trio pretty easily, with all their power, and yet the Aether Foundation needed to create Type: Null to beat UBs, as they have no other choice, which supports my other reason
4) First stage pokemon being FTL
  • The only FTL feat a wild pokemon has performed is something a first stage can accomplish too
5) At least 4-A fully evolved Pokemon (and by extension, a lot of legendaries)
  • 2 or 3 feats of Pokemon creating realities with stars
  • Stantler using reality warping to create a sun
6) At least high 3-A likely 2-C mega Pokemon, Z moves, likely dynamax
  • Alakazam believes it can survive the destruction of 2 universes, even with its precog
  • The energy that mega pokemon create is calculated to be infinite, like not in a hyperbole way, but in a scientific way
7) Limited precog resistance, and possible limited fate hax for all pokemon
  • A Pokemon battle is stated by people who have reliable precog to be the cause of one's future changing to where one can win a fight they were otherwise fated to lose
8) Immeasurable speed legendaries
  • Some legendary Pokemon (won't say who) literally sped up and accelerated to move through time, implying its done through sheer speed
9) NEP for Giratina
  • Antimatter is literally a void lmao its so obvious it erases everything it touches
10) Arceus doesn't have all the power of the verse
  • Being omnipresent isn't enough to mean you can do everything everyone can, and people have evolved ever since Arceus shared some power to pokemon
 
I don't care for anything besides the high tiers

Plates<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Original One as they are fragments together with his avatars and the CT. They're all lesser physical manifestations of an abstract being.

Giratina NEP will be rejected trust me bro.. Quasi won't let it pass, DontTalk will do his usual(oppose anything) and everyone will follow him
 
Should I make them all in 1 CRT or leave some for another
i believe that making them into one crt would be the biggest clusterfudge ever creater. Go finish and apply your ability revision first mate, cause i've got my hands busy and i ain't doing that for ya
 
10) Arceus doesn't have all the power of the verse
  • Being omnipresent isn't enough to mean you can do everything everyone can, and people have evolved ever since Arceus shared some power to pokemon
Now this is just silly. All Pokémon powers are on the plates. Him being omnipresent has nothing to do with it

"People have evolved"

Forgeting Arceus exist in the past, present and future.

There's not an evolutionary point in time Arceus hasn't already been, so that's also silly
 
i believe that making them into one crt would be the biggest clusterfudge ever creater. Go finish and apply your ability revision first mate, cause i've got my hands busy and i ain't doing that for ya
If I make a clusterfuck then it would be harder to refute everything and people will have to accept everything, that's what happened to SMT, final fantasy and castlevania
 
7) Limited precog resistance, and possible limited fate hax for all pokemon
  • A Pokemon battle is stated by people who have reliable precog to be the cause of one's future changing to where one can win a fight they were otherwise fated to lose
Scans for this
8) Immeasurable speed legendaries
  • Some legendary Pokemon (won't say who) literally sped up and accelerated to move through time, implying its done through sheer speed
Scans of this. I don't trust you judging by the last time you tried to push abstract existence for a trainer
 
If I make a clusterfuck then it would be harder to refute everything and people will have to accept everything, that's what happened to SMT, final fantasy and castlevania
fair point but that is cheap as fudge and unless there's a ton of preparation (SMT took months, nearly a year, and many unseen discussions off and on site to get it accepted) it's probably gonna get ignored by many.

If you wanna make revisions then make many CRTs and you better start with stuff that isn't easy to refute and that has more basis.
 
Y'know, this franchise as a whole is full of crap. They won't obey the lore, nor common sense, no any proper scaling. They do whatever they want, whenever, and leave the fans trying to make sense of everything

One of the worst franchises out there and it's only there because of popularity. Non of their materials is ever up to par, even S/V is decades behind

Digimon is far better than this
well firstly, I agree with your third statement, secondly, I think part of the reason it’s weird is that the point of Pokémon games is to take any 6 animals and smack a mythical being with it. Also, it’s a very big franchise, and so it gets wonky sometimes
 
do you not support the 1 and 4?
Nope. I'm only interested in anything that will make Arceus as op as hell. 1 is just nonsense as there's a distinction between avatar and his true form

So I'm obviously interested in immeasurable and fate resistances.
 
3) Ultra Beasts scaling to the Creation Trio and Darkrai
  • There is a certain person in the Aether Foundation who uses technology that has created clones of the Creation Trio pretty easily, with all their power, and yet the Aether Foundation needed to create Type: Null to beat UBs, as they have no other choice, which supports my other reason
When did this happen?
 
yeah goh and gary fought off and caught regidrago and regieleki. Ngl i am starting to feel more and more like upgrading endgame pikachu to High 6-A or to just say that the anime variants of the regis are just straight up not high 6-A
 
No I don’t care that u did, I’m interested in how u did it. Because I didn’t say that sentence here, so how did u reply to me
 
yeah goh and gary fought off and caught regidrago and regieleki. Ngl i am starting to feel more and more like upgrading endgame pikachu to High 6-A or to just say that the anime variants of the regis are just straight up not high 6-A
Why is everything composite btw. Like I understand for Arceus, the creation trio, but isn’t Regis from the anime a diff continuity from the games?
 
I've also been thinking of deleting the baseline legendary scaling (scaling them to Low 6-B when they're featless which has no real basis) and thus nerfing the likes of Calyrex and such.
 
Why is everything composite btw
cause they're species profiles which generally get consistent feats or either no feats at all in one type of media and a good and notable and consistent feat in the other part of media.

I've brought up above how manga, anime, games have almost the same tiers for every key (they are all tier 7 and end up at 7-A to High 7-A with the 7-A one being a minimum). It's kinda overall similar.

If we wanted to decomposite it all then that would be a complete overhaul and we'd need 2-3 extra profiles for every pokemon in existence.
 
Yeah that does sound pretty painfu
yeah and its kinda useless. There aren't that many scaling differences and in many occasions legendaries end up being featless, though mostly in the anime. Anime and Manga give us the right interactions necessary for scaling, thus making it a lot easier to handle the verse. With games only Mewtwo would literally be like 6-C in the game verse since he basically has no visible scaling there. In fact, many legendaries would scale that low simply because they would have nobody besides normal mons to scale to which is depressing.
 
yeah goh and gary fought off and caught regidrago and regieleki. Ngl i am starting to feel more and more like upgrading endgame pikachu to High 6-A or to just say that the anime variants of the regis are just straight up not high 6-A
Regidrago > all dragon type Pokemon including eternatus who is > original spirit
 
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