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Pokémon 5-B Downgrade (I'm really sorry)
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People didn't check the links and it shows
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Did I say it is? I said that it would destroy the planet overtime, and it being 5-B along with Kyogre is even supported from even the Myths in Delta Episode
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Tier 5-B meteor looks like wank. Calculations have different results and the declarations that support the Tier are "useless"
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Except that they aren't? Zinnia was a part of the team Magma/Aqua, and the fact that she stated more times "planet" instead of just "world" unlike the teams which were reffering to just the surface when they were using the Primals is already enough
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What are you talking about, when we're talking about also what's said in the myths now
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Nothing invalidates the calculation
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First one says he'll sink the world, which just means he'll submerge all landmasses. How anyone gets "5-B over time" is beyond me.
Second one is just referring to "saving the planet" which could just mean saving all life.
Third and beyond are just repeats of "destroy/break the world".
Second one is just referring to "saving the planet" which could just mean saving all life.
Third and beyond are just repeats of "destroy/break the world".
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Not really, all the surface was always reffered with just "world", so "planet" must mean all of it in context. Also the verse already made differences with context behind the "world" statements, like here it was used for just the landmass, or here for all the seas
Don't you think that using now "planet" for world means something more than just all the landmass/seas now?
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I was called for canonicity stuff? Blog originally had the "levels of canon" thingy, but it created too much discussions and baseless accusations so everything is just put as "canon".
Although it's just common sense that games should still have a little more importance than the rest if they both portray the same feat differently.
Although it's just common sense that games should still have a little more importance than the rest if they both portray the same feat differently.
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Okay im very lost about whats happening here and have been busy with other things to not come by sooner. So can anyone tell me whats going on here?
Why is the feat being downgraded below 5-B now? Assalt's original calc, thats currently being used, calced the feat as 5-B off of surface wiping alone, so whats the issue here?
Why is the feat being downgraded below 5-B now? Assalt's original calc, thats currently being used, calced the feat as 5-B off of surface wiping alone, so whats the issue here?
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In short words wasn't calculable due to too much unknown things as how much the debris would spread or the time-frame
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I looked at the original thread. Nothing is wrong with the KE based calc from the original. Whoever gave the idea that we don’t assume timeframes for these kinds of things is outright wrong since we’ve done this forever. This isn’t even a Pokemon issue, but a comic/manga issue in general if you wanna revise standards, as this applies to more than just planet busting.
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Could you please be more specific about what factors in the calc are unknown? Just so ik what to work with here.
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That's just him enveloping the world with clouds, right? If so, "Sinking the world" is not planetary, it’s just sinking the continents (?)
The potency of this feat:
Average height of Storm Clouds is 8000 Meters.
Volume = (Pi)(20000000^2)(8000)
Volume = 1.0053096e+19
Mass = 1.0053096e+19*1.003
Mass = 1.0083255e+19
Energy = 1.0083255e+19*4000
Energy = 4.033302e+22J
Country/6-B
This feat can be considered "At least 6-B, likely far higher"...?
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Can people stop mentioning Kyogre's storm feat here? It was already downgraded before because of CAPE, so its a feat we definitely arent using here any longer.
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NVM, I screwed up on explaining this.
Timeframe wasn't the issue, but the issue people had was that not all the debris travelled at the same speed as the fast moving ones, like in some feats where planets and moons are cracked into two beyond repair but several of their large pieces are still intact and haven't moved much compared to the other smaller, faster-moving debris, like in Infamous as an example where the Beast cracks the moon into 3 but the pieces are mostly intact.
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Wait, that looks oddly familiar to the image Strym used.
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Yeah after coming back from the thread in question, nothing is problematic here. Strym’s first calc is fine and the reasons for it being a no-go dont work as they violate reasonable assumptions we’ve been making for years.
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nvm found the source.
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So the 5-A one (im assuming you meant this) is back on the table?
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Also I'm going to chime in and say, although I'm normally against composite stuff in general the canon blog as well as the discussion it spawned from never got fully resolved and in the end as YuriAkuto said everything still remained "canon".
So the tier 5 feats from the spin-off games are still legitimate to use for scaling.
IIRC there's was ment to be further discussion on the canon subject (post-forum move).
So the tier 5 feats from the spin-off games are still legitimate to use for scaling.
IIRC there's was ment to be further discussion on the canon subject (post-forum move).
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Prolly should contact the calc members again to be sure, and to see if they and Cal can come to an agreement.
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If im gonna be honest here, im doubting on whether or not the manga version is only surface wiping but it being a bust too.
Narration wise, the manga does the same as the games, saying that the planet would be destroyed. And the only real implication we get of it being only surface wiping is seeing what "looks" like the planet at the bottom of the panel with the fragments, only the issue there is that nothing explicitly proves that was the planet.
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We make anything composte in canon, so the higest value will be used because "lol composite", simple as that
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That's not really how it got resolved tho. "Everything being canon" did disappear, it's the idea of "level of canon" for the ones proven to be canon which was abandonned.
That's why the blog is on the verse page in the first place.
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Oh yeah btw @YuriAkuto, sorry I was mean to you in the canon thread. I have no exc uses.
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I see nvm then looks like I misunderstood. Either way I believe the canon debate should still take priority especially since folks are still using the "levels of canon" as an argument even tho it got abandoned.
Also the "everything being canon" idea being scrapped hasn't (to my knowledge) been applied to the verse at all... unless there's still contention for it.
Sorry if I'm derailing.
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It was already clarified tho
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