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Homura vs Alice
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Alice:1 (FateAlbane)
Homura:
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PMMM VS SMT: Cute Girls Edition
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Homura vs Alice
2A versions
Speed Equalized
In character for both
Alice:1 (FateAlbane)
Homura:
FBI:
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guys keep your hands on the table glue it and keep it there...Wait hand? Oh god my hand is moving downstairs HELP!!! *R-rated censor*
I'll excuse myself out *shot*
I'll excuse myself out *shot*
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Don't worry, I'll call the FBI.
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Me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjsD79qnueQ
Ok for real ahhh i vaguely remember homura going for kill like mindscrew. Don't know much on alice :V
Ok for real ahhh i vaguely remember homura going for kill like mindscrew. Don't know much on alice :V
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Alice's first move is always Die for me! which can kill type 8s and Mid-godlys.
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well then that can work but i only vaguely remember homura leading with mind screw though idk need kalt, homu and SD To beat me into submission with the power of magical girls *shot*
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Either Homura Mindscrews Alice or Alice says "Die for me" and Homura drops dead. Its who shoots first.
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The question is: who shoot first?
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>who shoots first
>FBI FBI FBI
>FBI FBI FBI
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Errmm......this is very difficult.....either Homu throw her mind hax and start mindra**ng Alice first or Alice says "die for me" first.
Okay,i vote inconclusive for now unless there is another person who can give good argument.
Okay,i vote inconclusive for now unless there is another person who can give good argument.
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It really depends if Alice can say "Die for me" before Homura Mindscrews. I'm not an expert on SMT or PMMM, but I would say that Homura's Mindscrew right off the bat might be faster.
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She mindscrewed with a thought.
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I thought so. I guess I have to vote for Homura for Mindscrewing faster than Alice can say "Die for me".Homu Sweet Homu said:
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Hmmm,alright Homu sama said that,i follow....
Homu for Homu reasons,andHomu mindrape Alice here....
Homu for Homu reasons,and
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If we include the fight animation, Alice can use die for me with thought too.
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That would be Game mechanics, which normally aren't applicable in VS Matchups.Reinhardthrowhisspear said:
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She use a word die for me for die for me just for effect like servants from Fate. Never proven she can't do it without word.
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Also she never used die for me and said die for me at the same time or at least I don't remember (even she said that it didn't activated in SMT I, even she used it she never said anything in also SMT I)
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Bump
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Homu's mind screw is much faster to "activate". It's passive...
Also that range disadvantage tho
Also that range disadvantage tho
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I actually think this is stomp since U. Alice is at least considerably high in the SMT 2-A scale (she is superior to Beelzebub which give or take shouldn't be that far from Metatron).
Ultimate Alice is also very possibly amidst the demons that Noped a mass scale Memory Wipe that happened across the multiverse as a result of multiple Multiversal Resets that happened due to Canopus finding "Errors" in the Multiverse and people going and resetting everything.
Point in question is that the party does not remember anything for the most part after each reset whereas demons aren't shown to be affected at all. I won't go as far as say "No demon was" but I assume the 2-A ones (especially Alice since she is Ultimate Boss in this incarnation) wouldn't have as Administrators such as Polaris and Arcturus are usually not affected either.
Couple that with Alice actually having fought the entire party and being able to oneshot people on her lvl/conceptual beings/mid-godly regenerators with her Die for Me... And the fact that everything this Alice does is of the almighty property.
Looks stompish to me.
Ultimate Alice is also very possibly amidst the demons that Noped a mass scale Memory Wipe that happened across the multiverse as a result of multiple Multiversal Resets that happened due to Canopus finding "Errors" in the Multiverse and people going and resetting everything.
Point in question is that the party does not remember anything for the most part after each reset whereas demons aren't shown to be affected at all. I won't go as far as say "No demon was" but I assume the 2-A ones (especially Alice since she is Ultimate Boss in this incarnation) wouldn't have as Administrators such as Polaris and Arcturus are usually not affected either.
Couple that with Alice actually having fought the entire party and being able to oneshot people on her lvl/conceptual beings/mid-godly regenerators with her Die for Me... And the fact that everything this Alice does is of the almighty property.
Looks stompish to me.
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Well is Almighty passive? And ignores her range?
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@Fate It's just a possibility. Don't speculate.
@Data Almighty attacks? No and no.
@Data Almighty attacks? No and no.
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Huh then Homura still mind screws
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Almighty is a passive effect on everything she does, but not passive of the kind "I don't do anything, it happens." Though I'm amused at Alice there not having Mutiversal+ range now that you mention it since like every demon out there they may literally appear out of nowhere and her much weaker 2-B incarnation went across the Multiverse/Space and Time to the point where Belial and Nebiros needed help from Raidou Kuzunoha to get her.
She also has an habit of appearing out of nowhere from the Amala like other demons.
She also has an habit of appearing out of nowhere from the Amala like other demons.
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@Rein Possibility? That's literally what happens. Multiversal resets, party forgets, demons showing no signs of being affected. I don't see the speculation when I'm applying it only to the god tiers.
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Isn't Die for Me! technically not a 100% chance thing? Like, I remember it being, like, something around an 80% chance of success... maybe I'm just remembering improperly.
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@Perp That's for the 2-B incarnation.
2-A one will always oneshot unless the character has anti-almighty.
2-A one will always oneshot unless the character has anti-almighty.
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@Perpetual Insta-kill amp can do.
@Fate sorry I thought you said possibility so I thought it was theory.
@Fate sorry I thought you said possibility so I thought it was theory.
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And before anyone says "maybe they weren't within range", Canopus' range outclasses and covers literally everything in Desu2.
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Is Changing Alice to 2B make things fair?
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Homu stomps her 2-B tho.
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Well, yeah. Wait I'll call Homu for this.
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Oh I see, that range is iffy then. However, if almighty isn't that kind of passive, then it won't really help.
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Why not?
I just confirmed she resists Memory Wipe via Multiversal Reset from Canopus on the above reply.
Taking that and what I said above into account, I'm pretty sure she can oneshot with anything she does here. Even considering raw physical power alone (not even counting the Megido/Almighty effects) she is superior to a guy who shouldn't be far from Metatron who is generally agreed to oneshot.
No matter how I look at it, looks stompish for her.
I just confirmed she resists Memory Wipe via Multiversal Reset from Canopus on the above reply.
Taking that and what I said above into account, I'm pretty sure she can oneshot with anything she does here. Even considering raw physical power alone (not even counting the Megido/Almighty effects) she is superior to a guy who shouldn't be far from Metatron who is generally agreed to oneshot.
No matter how I look at it, looks stompish for her.
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She resists mindscrew though. Doubt it won't work but still be weakened.
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Oh wait, Multiversal Reset isn't a multiverse being reset? Its memory manip? That's... a weird name for memory manip.
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Is Acausality help in Homura's case?
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Its Canopus saying "There's an error on the system" then proceeding to reset all of it. Case in point is that the main cast post defeating administrators such as Polaris, get their memories of everything wiped along with it whereas the demons aren't affected.
This happens multiple times in the game. All of them the demons aren't affected in any manner whatsoever. But since it would be iffy to say "none of them are" I'm scaling to Alice since beings comparable to the level of Polaris (who she is far superior to in this incarnation) weren't and she is just fine as well.
This feat only scales to Desu 2 which is entirely (or for the most part) separated from the main continuity of SMT so as far as I know unless it's this Alice or some other being like Polaris exclusive to Desu2 they wouldn't scale (for example 2-B Alice doesn't have this).
This happens multiple times in the game. All of them the demons aren't affected in any manner whatsoever. But since it would be iffy to say "none of them are" I'm scaling to Alice since beings comparable to the level of Polaris (who she is far superior to in this incarnation) weren't and she is just fine as well.
This feat only scales to Desu 2 which is entirely (or for the most part) separated from the main continuity of SMT so as far as I know unless it's this Alice or some other being like Polaris exclusive to Desu2 they wouldn't scale (for example 2-B Alice doesn't have this).
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