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Minus the 960x gravity of Earth, mostly, ye
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Planetary KE calcs
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In that case, yeah, all of the debris has to leave the screen entirely for us to be able to correctly deduce that all the mass had traveled that distance, or just measure the timeframe from the explosion starting upto until all the debris stops moving completely.
Basically, figure out the distance moved and don't stop measuring the timeframe until the debris is completely non-existent or has definitively stopped moving.
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I'll try mine too
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Planet diameter = 1978 px = 12742000 m
Distance the debris crossed = 1281.28 px = 8253826.98 m
Low End:
Time = 30 s
Speed = 275127.566 m/s
KE = 0.5 * 2.77e+22 * (275127.566)^2 = 1.04837821e+33 Joule / 250.57 Zettatons (Planet level)
Mid end:
15 s
Speed = 412691.349 m/s
KE = 0.5 * 2.77e+22 * (550255.132)^2 = 4.19351284e+33 Joule / 1 Yottaton (Planet level)
High end:
Time = 5 s
Speed = 1650765.4 m/s
KE = 0.5 * 2.77e+22 * (1650765.4)^2 = 3.77416157e+34 Joule / 9.02 Yottatons (Large Planet level)
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Planet diameter = 1978 px = 12742000 m
Distance the debris crossed = 1281.28 px = 8253826.98 m
Low End:
Time = 30 s
Speed = 275127.566 m/s
KE = 0.5 * 2.77e+22 * (275127.566)^2 = 1.04837821e+33 Joule / 250.57 Zettatons (Planet level)
Mid end:
15 s
Speed = 412691.349 m/s
KE = 0.5 * 2.77e+22 * (550255.132)^2 = 4.19351284e+33 Joule / 1 Yottaton (Planet level)
High end:
Time = 5 s
Speed = 1650765.4 m/s
KE = 0.5 * 2.77e+22 * (1650765.4)^2 = 3.77416157e+34 Joule / 9.02 Yottatons (Large Planet level)
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I still think it is very wrong to use this scale. But anyway, now just wait for the Calculation Group
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I dont think you can use that circle as the planet.
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Why?
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I mean, it is the planet
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Simply put there is not enough of planet to make the circle correct. I believe a thread was made a while ago about curvatures like that.
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You can use it as long as you follow the new curvature calc methods.
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No, we made a new formula for figuring out curvatures in that thread.
Here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Planet_Curvature_Scaling
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Oh did not know about that ty.
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His name is Mugai and he is a badass so I can understand lol.
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That being said that calc needs to follow the curvature rules still it is not using the formula.
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Well it hasn't been put in a blog post yet so we can wait.
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Only staff members can properly tag admin and notify them of this thread.
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Of course
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Well, then what are we going to do?
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Already told to @Antvasima to tag some calc members
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I am reserving judgement to see what M3X has to say about this issue.
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Oh boy, was I misinterpreted, I was not the initial one who rejected the idea of planetary KE calcs, I just saw 2 planetary calcs similar to the one Styrm asked me to evaluate get rejected before because we were not allowed to assume that the full mass of the earth moved at the same speed because it was unknown, so I assumed since it was the same kind of calc, we couldn't find the KE that way, I believe it was Alex and Ugarik who told me about this, I’m in no way discrediting planetary calcs as a whole, if it has the evidence then there's no problem
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Ugarik didn't have problems with the DBS Frieza calc tho (In fact he outright agreed with me on the fact that all the mass of Planet Vegeta had dissipated within that one single second), plus he only had problems with the Pokemon calcs because in those two the debris hadn't fully dispersed yet unlike what we saw in Frieza's calc, which is why with the Pokemon calcs we couldn't assume that the entirety of the mass moved at the same speed.
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I must have missed that then, because a while ago, I was told that Frieza calc was rejected for the reason I mentioned and one of my calcs was rejected for the same reasoning, so I didn't wanna be inconsistent with what I thought we could and couldn't do
But my real issue was this feat using KE, cause there is no way it should be using KE at all, we don't see any depris moving and an explosion calc would be better
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Ah yes, Mewtwo's calc.
This one has a lot of issues and KE is the least of your problems. It uses jacked-up curvature.
And nah, Frieza's calc wasn't rejected, but rather that there was nothing wrong with it, Ugarik himself said this here-
"In case of the Frieza calc. The entire mass of planet Vegeta had left the screen. There weren't any debris left in the last frame."
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That was my main point, that calc is so wrong and Styrm must have thought that I meant all planetary KE calcs
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Honestly it's M3X that has issues with the calcs.
In any case the Toeiverse Piccolo Moon calc is wrong because of two things-
1. The moon wasn't measured properly and was instead measured when it had already exploded (There's a better way to do this, by taking a shot of the intact moon a few seconds before it goes boom).
2. Kep got the timeframe of the debris dispersal wrong, all the debris disappears 13 seconds after the big boom when we get to see the moondust in the sky.
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So, which one is correct?
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You still haven't used the new curvature method to fix the Planet diameter.
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Ye, TOEIverse Piccolo calcs needs a better time-frame
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Fear not tho, it won't be a terrible downgrade.
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sighs
Fine, I'll fix
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New method?
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I understand. Later I edit the calculation
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Apparently, in the beginning this would be an potency upgrade, now it’s a downgrade
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