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Pikachu upgrade to 4-B
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When Cal disagrees with Pokemon being upgraded then your argument is basically dead on arrival.
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Right, a legendary doesn't have the feats (yet anyway).TriforcePower1 said:
That should already tell you why this is a massive outlier, unless were gonna say Pikachu is > Zygarde now.
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>4-B Pikachu
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Anime Pikachu is extremely inconsitent Pokémon that ranges from defeating Tyranitar and Latios to losing to Team Rocket Early Mareanie and being initially overpowered by a Mimikyu.
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Are people her ignoring that this actually makes Pikachu 4-B only via a single move that it's currently consistent?
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A move thats only been able to be used literally once and never again? Thats definitely not consistent.
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And yet scales to other characters on top of being a ridiculous jump making it inconsistent like we stated multiple times?
Yes
Yes
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Silvally is 4-B, so that could actually make it even more consistent ovo
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Honestly, at this point, we need a discussion rule for Pikachu's Z-Move to not have others upgrade it to 4-B.
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In that case, this likely further supports 4-B Pikachu
Rules in there (please open the link in a new tab so you may get more context in what I´m talking about):
1: Feats: The feat is consistent, as this is a new move that Pikachu used once and even one shotted a 4-B
2: Case-by-case basis: As this happened way recently, it makes sence.
3: The feat hasn´t gone pretty discussed officially yet, so let´s just leave that rule at a side.
4: Consistency: It´s consistent as it fits properly with the rest of the before-mentioned rules.
5: Single stadistics power-scaling: Well, it´s only going to scale to Pikachu´s Attack Potency by using that move in paticular, so it fits.
As in, something like:
"Attack Potency: Large Island level (Has defeated several powerful Pokémon, including Dragonites, Abomasnows, and Tyranitars, most of them being extremely well trained). Higher with Z-Moves or when absorbing electricity; 4-B via 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt (one-shotted Merged Lusamine)"
In the end, Pikachu is 4-B via the Z-Move, and it likely hould only scale to him, after all, in-game (which likely also leads to in-canon), only Ash´s Pikachu can use that Z-Move.
Rules in there (please open the link in a new tab so you may get more context in what I´m talking about):
1: Feats: The feat is consistent, as this is a new move that Pikachu used once and even one shotted a 4-B
2: Case-by-case basis: As this happened way recently, it makes sence.
3: The feat hasn´t gone pretty discussed officially yet, so let´s just leave that rule at a side.
4: Consistency: It´s consistent as it fits properly with the rest of the before-mentioned rules.
5: Single stadistics power-scaling: Well, it´s only going to scale to Pikachu´s Attack Potency by using that move in paticular, so it fits.
As in, something like:
"Attack Potency: Large Island level (Has defeated several powerful Pokémon, including Dragonites, Abomasnows, and Tyranitars, most of them being extremely well trained). Higher with Z-Moves or when absorbing electricity; 4-B via 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt (one-shotted Merged Lusamine)"
In the end, Pikachu is 4-B via the Z-Move, and it likely hould only scale to him, after all, in-game (which likely also leads to in-canon), only Ash´s Pikachu can use that Z-Move.
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Better change the description of this Z-Move
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ExceptTriforcePower1 said:
-Silvally was created specifically to be capable of fighting off the UBs.
-Silvally is classified as a legendary Pokemon.
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Technically, if something appears once and does a single feat, it's consistent. That's the reason Magolor remained at 3-B despite the whole verse being 4-A.
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1. A one time move =/= consistent so no.
2. Yes but in this case, it's nothing to make an exception for.
3. Because it shouldnt be discussed in the 1st place honestly. It's obvious.
4. Not consistent with Pokemon's scaling, as even legendaries aren't being given this. Pikachu isn't above legendaries.
5. A one time move kind of can't scale. Plus, if this was something Pikachu could consistently do, he would've done when facing other Ultra Beasts like Buzzwole, who stomped him. He didn't.
Plus, we all keep assuming that Necrozma's Z power boosting Pikachu suddenly means 4-B. Thats not how this works.
2. Yes but in this case, it's nothing to make an exception for.
3. Because it shouldnt be discussed in the 1st place honestly. It's obvious.
4. Not consistent with Pokemon's scaling, as even legendaries aren't being given this. Pikachu isn't above legendaries.
5. A one time move kind of can't scale. Plus, if this was something Pikachu could consistently do, he would've done when facing other Ultra Beasts like Buzzwole, who stomped him. He didn't.
Plus, we all keep assuming that Necrozma's Z power boosting Pikachu suddenly means 4-B. Thats not how this works.
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That's because Azzy downgraded the feat to 4-A. But he was previously 3-A/B and no one ever considered it an outlier.
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This thread is the equivalent of me saying that 5-B Nagisa Momoe is legit because she damaged Homulilly's barrier and that is her only feat excluding one shotting people.
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That doesn't matter. Because he's 4-A now.TriforcePower1 said:
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Special move or not, the fact that this is above what even most legendary Pokémon have shown off by a significant margin should be enough to say that this shouldn't be legit.
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1. Actually yes, it is. Just look at Magolor before Azzy downgraded the feat (Azzy was the one that upgraded him there in the first place). The feat in itself wasn't an outlier.
2. Actually, outliers are the exceptions to a character's feat list. They're called outliers for a reason.
3. No point in discussing this now.
4. Pikachu amped by this particular Z-Move may be, though.
5. That's like saying that Goku can't have "insert higher tier" Kayoken because it doesn't scale to his normal AP.
2. Actually, outliers are the exceptions to a character's feat list. They're called outliers for a reason.
3. No point in discussing this now.
4. Pikachu amped by this particular Z-Move may be, though.
5. That's like saying that Goku can't have "insert higher tier" Kayoken because it doesn't scale to his normal AP.
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1: Well, for the countless time, it was an special move that Pikachu used that´s not comparable to the rest of his fights or moves.
2: Because there has been nothing of this magnitude happening before via a Z-Move that has only been used once so far.
3: Well, Nintendo doesn´t tend to make that sort of stuff to moves anyways, what the in-game descriptions says is all what we have in that regard.
4: Pikachu isn´t, his move is the one that is.
5: It doesn´t scale to his durability, plus, he couldn´t do that move in those matches at that time.
2: Because there has been nothing of this magnitude happening before via a Z-Move that has only been used once so far.
3: Well, Nintendo doesn´t tend to make that sort of stuff to moves anyways, what the in-game descriptions says is all what we have in that regard.
4: Pikachu isn´t, his move is the one that is.
5: It doesn´t scale to his durability, plus, he couldn´t do that move in those matches at that time.
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Heck, Pikachu even being 6-B is a lucky break for him and i'd know that via the thread I made for Ho-Oh (go there to see and argue it).
Trying to get him above legendaries by multiple tiers, even as a one time attack, is flat out ridiculous.
Trying to get him above legendaries by multiple tiers, even as a one time attack, is flat out ridiculous.
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Can someone post the feat here, please?
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