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Piccolo Moon Feat Downgrade
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Mkay, other than that little detail, I agree with the downgrades.
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I also find myself agreeing with ByAsura.
In fact, I've had issues with that calc for a good while. I just never got around to actually bringing them up and making a detailed post.
In fact, I've had issues with that calc for a good while. I just never got around to actually bringing them up and making a detailed post.
The speed wouldn't be affected. They'd still stay at Relativistic I think, because Piccolos's beam did travel to the Moon quickly and characters of his level and up can react to that shit.The Calaca said:
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@ByAsura; no specific rating may be an issue because they depend on the value of the calc and their multipliers to get the speed ratings of every character, no?
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Yam it!Damage3245 said:
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Agreed.
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That Bird Studio Guide doesn't state that the minimum for Planet Busting is a powerlevel of 10.000, it states that said feat is already possible with said powerlevel, which shows that Full Power Vegeta being able to do it wasn't actually that impressive since, well, 10000 is capable of doing so
The whole drama with that scene wasn't because of the feat, but the danger of it, since no other villain intended to nuke it, if Goku fails, then owari da.
The whole drama with that scene wasn't because of the feat, but the danger of it, since no other villain intended to nuke it, if Goku fails, then owari da.
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I was using it as supporting evidence, not proof, which is why Guldo isn't Planet level. But I'll edit the OP.
In other scenes, villains threaten to destroy the world, but in this situation it's portrayed as literal and serious. This pretty much illustrates he's the only true Planet level villain by this point.
In other scenes, villains threaten to destroy the world, but in this situation it's portrayed as literal and serious. This pretty much illustrates he's the only true Planet level villain by this point.
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Yes, I know
Well, Nappa had a powerlevel of 4000 so it makes sense if Vegeta was the only one. The feat at that time was new but the guide statement kinda downgrades it since it confirms that weaker beings are capable of doing the same feat, and also tell us that Goku had the power to so with a base Kaioken, or maybe in base since he's over 8000
Well, Nappa had a powerlevel of 4000 so it makes sense if Vegeta was the only one. The feat at that time was new but the guide statement kinda downgrades it since it confirms that weaker beings are capable of doing the same feat, and also tell us that Goku had the power to so with a base Kaioken, or maybe in base since he's over 8000
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As much as I dont want Piccolo to go back to Moon level I will agree to this since there were assumptions made for rocks flying and the distance so yeah welcome back 5-C Piccolo
I dont really think we take author intent as actual proof for scaling since Planet level being depicated as major event wouldn't really matter if characters were planet level or not and Planet level wasn't really big deal in Frieza saga it was Frieza attack which was a problem which was massively above all of the cast at that time except for Goku and I dont know why you brought up Cell though
Another thing how would they reach Small Planet level? What is the gap?
I dont really think we take author intent as actual proof for scaling since Planet level being depicated as major event wouldn't really matter if characters were planet level or not and Planet level wasn't really big deal in Frieza saga it was Frieza attack which was a problem which was massively above all of the cast at that time except for Goku and I dont know why you brought up Cell though
Another thing how would they reach Small Planet level? What is the gap?
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I agree with this.
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That and the the rocks not being a very accurate way to measure it. I think 5-10 seconds is more tha reasonable.
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How is the timeframe different?
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I can agree with this.
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I agree as well.
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5 to 10 seconds is off to me. Piccolo fires it in one panel and the moon begins to glow due to the energy surrounding it right after that panel. Piccolo says "Get lost" in the first panel which is 0.5 seconds, since his statement is 2 syllables, while normal humans speak 4 syllables in one second on average. So perhaps it's less than 1 second, which would make him FTL.
I'm probably stretching, though.
I'm probably stretching, though.
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@Zamasu For one, the distance from Piccolo to the ground is way shorter. Secondly, Dark based it off falling rocks, which I disproved.
@Null Piccolo says get lost in the time he fires the attack, that's not the entire timeframe.
@Null Piccolo says get lost in the time he fires the attack, that's not the entire timeframe.
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Who is gonna make the respective downgrades?
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To me. I think around 5 to 7 seconds is better suited. At least thats the mental image i get looking at the two panels. Ten seems too much. But lower does seem a bit stretching.
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About the speed scaling, theres something i should ask. Shouldnt super saiyan offer at least the same speed boost as kaioken?
Because as the current scaling goes. Buu saga goku with the kaioken x20 would be 20x faster than everyone else in the buu saga including his ssj transformations and be untouchable (despite those transformations being outright superior to that form).
Because as the current scaling goes. Buu saga goku with the kaioken x20 would be 20x faster than everyone else in the buu saga including his ssj transformations and be untouchable (despite those transformations being outright superior to that form).
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Im talking about speed. Because from what I see on the profiles, super saiyan doesnt offer even a 20x multiplier and only really reaches ftl+ scaling to a super saiyan fighting ff frieza. His buu saga self has both his base and super saiyan forms being ftl+. Im pretty sure he should reach mftl to low mftl+ through scaling.
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Why is Super Saiyan considered a x40 boost instead of a x50 boost?
The SEG states it is x50, the Daizenshuu gives Goku a x50 boost when listing his Namek Saga power levels (3,000,000 to 150,000,000). And Toriyama even states that Super Saiyan was considered a x50 boost at the time of creation ["Only, at the time, it was considered that his strength would increase 50-fold when he became a Super Saiyan, but that was a bit of an exaggeration."].
The SEG states it is x50, the Daizenshuu gives Goku a x50 boost when listing his Namek Saga power levels (3,000,000 to 150,000,000). And Toriyama even states that Super Saiyan was considered a x50 boost at the time of creation ["Only, at the time, it was considered that his strength would increase 50-fold when he became a Super Saiyan, but that was a bit of an exaggeration."].
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It should be x50, the wiki uses x40 since Super Saiyan > 100% Freeza> Kaio-ken x20 >/= 50% Freeza. Really at that point x50 should just be used but it's whatever.
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Yeah in the manga 100% Frieza only got like 3 good hits on Goku.
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According to the chapter guide (which are within the manga and not a separate guide) Frieza had also dropped to an even lower percentage.
Anyway, I think Goku is being downplayed a tad. Goku blitzed and punted away Frieza, shot the tryant with a Kamehameha that he was unable to stop, leaving him somewhat injured and in pain (even remarking "that was close"). It's even implied Frieza powered up at this moment.
If we do use the 50x, I don't think 100 and 400x for the ascended Super Saiyans should be applied.
And Toriyama even states that Super Saiyan was considered a x50 boost at the time of creation ["Only, at the time, it was considered that his strength would increase 50-fold when he became a Super Saiyan, but that was a bit of an exaggeration."].
For anyone wondering about the next part of the statement, it's "My feeling as the creator is that, while drawing it, I felt that it was about a 10-fold change from what it was up to that point." Since this contradicts Toriyama's own series, we can apply Death of the Author.
Anyway, I think Goku is being downplayed a tad. Goku blitzed and punted away Frieza, shot the tryant with a Kamehameha that he was unable to stop, leaving him somewhat injured and in pain (even remarking "that was close"). It's even implied Frieza powered up at this moment.
If we do use the 50x, I don't think 100 and 400x for the ascended Super Saiyans should be applied.
And Toriyama even states that Super Saiyan was considered a x50 boost at the time of creation ["Only, at the time, it was considered that his strength would increase 50-fold when he became a Super Saiyan, but that was a bit of an exaggeration."].
For anyone wondering about the next part of the statement, it's "My feeling as the creator is that, while drawing it, I felt that it was about a 10-fold change from what it was up to that point." Since this contradicts Toriyama's own series, we can apply Death of the Author.
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If we do accept that. Would it be a minimum multiplier or a set limit?
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