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Phantom Ruby revisions

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So, the Phantom Ruby profile has some issues and I'm here to fix it, and by extension it affects characters that scale to it.

Upgrade to Low 2-C
Currently, the Phantom Ruby is rated 5-A max as the Phantom King can fight Super Sonic. However, the Phantom Ruby has created both the Egg Reverie Zone and Null Space, both of which are alternate dimensions of nothingness. Additionally, Null Space is stated to go on forever and have no end in sight, which would further show it being universal in size. Therefore, the Phantom Ruby should be Low 2-C at its peak.

Changes to the keys
The Phantom Ruby profile keys should be fixed so that instead of having Mania, Forces, and Prototype keys, the keys should be Prototype and Actual. Prototypes are 5-A, which is Infinite's tier and the actual Phantom Ruby should be Varies. Low 6-B to Low 2-C.

The scaling
The Phantom King scales as it is empowered by the Ruby's full power where it creates the Egg Reverie Zone. This would make it another tier 2 feat for super forms, and in Sonic Mania Plus Knuckles, Tails, Mighty, and Ray can fight the Phantom King in their super forms which would also give them a variable tier. Hyper Knuckles would be listed as "At least Low 2-C" just like Classic Hyper Sonic.

Note: Do not attempt to scale Infinite to Low 2-C
Oh boy, I can already sense some wankers might see this and are going to try to push for Infinite scaling. I will shoot this down so hopefully this won't become a problem in the comments and the thread can go as smoothly as possible. An argument that gets brought up is that Infinite created Null Space but the truth is, there's no evidence he actually created it. Eggman attributes the creation of Null Space to the Phantom Ruby, not Infinite himself. His BFR just sends you there. Infinite also doesn't use the real Phantom Ruby, but rather a finalized prototype that is embedded in his chest. Additionally, his power is weakened after creating a miniature sun that would've wiped the planet, so it wouldn't make any sense for him to supposedly have enough power to create a Low 2-C sized dimension. He also gets beaten by Base Sonic while the Phantom King is a super form level opponent. In conclusion, Infinite stays where he is.
 
BTW, Eggman Kleptomobile (the machine he uses in Egg Reverie) also scales caused he can use the PR to damage Super Sonic
 
All I'm going to say is... "good luck" these Sonic threads are a mess (The fact we've got BOTH a downgrade and upgrade thread that will affect the classic characters says it all).
 
You should ask Dark649 to comment here.
 
I agree with this.

Also, about Infinite not scaling to the Phantom Ruby, remember it's explicitly stated to be the source of his power. Not that he is as strong as it, but because of it he can rival Sonic.
 
Actually the PHR prototype is the one capable of doing that. Eggman and the others have been calling the PHR prototype the "Phantom Ruby" throughout the entire game

https://youtu.be/gL9qWw6MC84

Here are the time stamps were the finalized prototype has been called the Phantom Ruby

22:22 33:19 34:41 34:50 34:59 35:30 37:13 38:06 38:29 39:18 39:49 40:13 43:35 45:21

47:09 - 48:08 This is the only time Eggman used the original Phantom Ruby in his fight cause he says "A true winner holds his trump card at the end" meaning he only used it at the last minute while the other times the "Phantom Ruby" he was using to create virtual reality projections, cubes and null spaces was the Phantom Ruby Prototype (finalized version). Eggman did not used a prototype in the end cause Sonic and Avatar destroyed the factor of them and last but not least you see all the PHR projections disappear after the Death Egg's defeat implying he was using the original one.

Infinite isn't low 2C but I'm just pointing this out.
 
Thank you for helping out. It seems like this has been accepted then.
 
Sorry but no, not agreeing. For several reasons. One, even in the best case scenario, this would be High 3-A, as there's no mention of time stuff. Two, the infinite stuff is said by Sonic, someone with no sense of the scope of the world. If it was said by Eggman or Phantom King or Infinite, sure. Not Sonic.
 
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Why would Sonic saying it make it invalid? He was there and looking at it

Plus the timer on Egg Revirie clearly shows time as well
 
The real cal howard said:
Sorry but no, not agreeing. For several reasons. One, even in the best case scenario, this would be High 3-A, as there's no mention of time stuff. Two, the infinite stuff is said by Sonic, someone with no sense of the scope of the world. If it was said by Eggman or Phantom King or Infinite, sure. Not Sonic.
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The Egg Reverie Zone has its own space-time and the Phantom Ruby has already shown the capability to affect time and space. Null Space is a dimension closed off from the others. In order to have created them, the Phantom Ruby would've had to have created the space-time as well.

Just because Sonic said it doesn't mean it's invalid, he would have had to have at least some sense of how the world is like to make a statement like that in the first place.
 
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