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There being time =/= there being its own time. And Sonic being the one who said it does impact the statment's credence as he doesn't have intimate knowledge on the subject at hand. He doesn't know if it's endless or not. This isn't the only time we've done this. The person with the statements has to be someone with credence. I'm not being nitpicky with Sonic here. I've seen this done before. For example, Cell's endless worlds statement.

Also doesn't help that one of the links given explicitly calls it a pocket dimension.
 
Null Space is closed off from every dimension, it can't be borrowing time from other places

Also the Phantom King can't even talk and Sonic unlike Cell isn't the type to exagerate

The pocket dimension statment is from Sonic Retro, not the actual games
 
There are infinitely large pocket dimensions in some places, it's not an inherent contradiction. Provided that nobody really scales to this (scaling dudes to the full output of a power source is bad ree) it should be fine enough
 
It's not that Sonic is a liar, insomuch as he doesn't know what he's talking about, for lack of a better phrase. Take Digimon, for example. All the statements about the higher stuff comes from scientists who studied it, beings intimate with the planes, gods, or WoG. It'd be totally different if it was coming from say, Tai and Agumon.
 
That statment takes place while Sonic, a dude who runs through multiple places, is running through Null Space plus Sonic actualy has once runned through a infinite area before in Secret Rings,so he would actualy know by running through it
 
The real cal howard said:
There being time =/= there being its own time. And Sonic being the one who said it does impact the statment's credence as he doesn't have intimate knowledge on the subject at hand. He doesn't know if it's endless or not. This isn't the only time we've done this. The person with the statements has to be someone with credence. I'm not being nitpicky with Sonic here. I've seen this done before. For example, Cell's endless worlds statement.
Also doesn't help that one of the links given explicitly calls it a pocket dimension.
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I don't see why Sonic would make that statement about Null Space if he was clueless as to what it was. There's nothing to imply that he was lying or exaggerating when he said that. Also Cell's statement isn't 2-A because endless worlds is 2-B.

Just because it's called a pocket dimension doesn't mean it's small. Pocket dimensions tend to just have unusual properties. Even our own pocket reality manipulation page acknowledges that pocket dimensions can be Low 2-C.
 
The real cal howard said:
...you lost me in that first half, dude.
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I forgot a thing, I edited it

Plus here is the sca of the infinite space of Secret Rings, so Sonic already knows what a infinite spanding dimension is
 
Well, Sonic does have experience being in different dimensions, with infinite space in Night Palace, the Special Zones, the book of Secret rings and Black Knight being a separate dimension of its own, the rift in Sonic 06, the White Space in Sonic Generations.
 
@Shadow. Keep in mind Cell's statement was rejected before we accepted DBH's world to be dummy-thicc. Which means we wrote it off for the reasons I've stated.

Sonic's not a physicist or a scientist. If it was Tails it's have credence, but not Sonic. Sonic could easily be hypothesizing or being hyperbolic. There's a reason that feats > statements, and that's because statements require scrutinization. Sonic explored city sized portions of the dimension. He doesn't have the credence to talk about it's girth.

Edit: This was before User's rebuttal
 
Feats are > statements. That much is obvious. This however doesn't mean that statements can't be used as long as they aren't contradicted, exaggerated, or made up assumptions.
 
> Sonic defeats Eggman's machine with the Phantom Ruby in it. > Final boss fight is in a starry dimension created by the Ruby > Erazor's feat plus Time Eater being repelled by one Chaos Emerald Oh yeah, it's all coming together.
 
Wandering in it for eternity doesn't really mean that's it infinitely sized, it could just mean there's no way to escape it.
 
JJSliderman said:
> Sonic defeats Eggman's machine with the Phantom Ruby in it.
> Final boss fight is in a starry dimension created by the Ruby > Erazor's feat plus Time Eater being repelled by one Chaos Emerald Oh yeah, it's all coming together.
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Eggrobo also throws suns that then collapse and turn into black holes too lol and Sonic beat him in base as well
 
Absaddie said:
JJSliderman said:
> Sonic defeats Eggman's machine with the Phantom Ruby in it.
> Final boss fight is in a starry dimension created by the Ruby > Erazor's feat plus Time Eater being repelled by one Chaos Emerald Oh yeah, it's all coming together.
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Eggrobo also throws suns that then collapse and turn into black holes too lol and Sonic beat him in base as well
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1. Phantom Ruby is typically used as the source of power (ex. Infinite), not an entire amp.

2. No proof it was a dimension and the background isn't even stars, it's blocks that turn around during the fight

3. Erazor's feats are unquantifiable

4. Chaos Emeralds repel evil forces on their own and already have 4D hax, 4D good guy hax isn't applicable to AP or scaling in any form

5. The stars were calculated numerous times and all turned out to be outliers. Plus you're using a 3D feat whereas he's using a 4D feat so even if your argument worked it would be irrelevant to what you're trying to support.

Stop with this.
 
Actually, there are light dots that appear in and around the blocks.


Erazor also absorbed and restored half the energy of the universe which seems fairly impressive.


I wasn't really serious but maybe someday.
 
So huh, could someone perform the changes then? None of the necessary profiles are locked.

Mini bump, can this be applied now?
 
Darksspine said:
Absaddie said:
JJSliderman said:
> Sonic defeats Eggman's machine with the Phantom Ruby in it.
> Final boss fight is in a starry dimension created by the Ruby > Erazor's feat plus Time Eater being repelled by one Chaos Emerald Oh yeah, it's all coming together.
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Eggrobo also throws suns that then collapse and turn into black holes too lol and Sonic beat him in base as well
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1. Phantom Ruby is typically used as the source of power (ex. Infinite), not an entire amp.
2. No proof it was a dimension and the background isn't even stars, it's blocks that turn around during the fight

3. Erazor's feats are unquantifiable

4. Chaos Emeralds repel evil forces on their own and already have 4D hax, 4D good guy hax isn't applicable to AP or scaling in any form

5. The stars were calculated numerous times and all turned out to be outliers. Plus you're using a 3D feat whereas he's using a 4D feat so even if your argument worked it would be irrelevant to what you're trying to support.

Stop with this.
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Doesn't sound like an outlier to me if there's other starry sky stuff, Sonic can even beat up on a guy who can warp a whole dimension with a star in it in Riders and the black hole by the final boss could also potentially be worth something. When did chaos emeralds specifically fight off evil though?
 
I just brought it up because the Phantom Ruby was connected to Infinite and it may have justified scaling to some degree for Infinite.

My mistake.
 
JJSliderman said:
Actually, there are light dots that appear in and around the blocks.

Erazor also absorbed and restored half the energy of the universe which seems fairly impressive.


I wasn't really serious but maybe someday.
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Dots doesn't make stars, especially on blocks of all things.

Erazor absorbed the plot of the Arabian Nights and thus the Arabian Nights with it. It's like if a 9-C character uses hax on a 3-A character, just because he ended up beating him doesn't mean he did it directly. Also Darkspine Sonic restored it.

No, not really. This is invalid.
 
Doesn't sound like an outlier to me if there's other starry sky stuff, Sonic can even beat up on a guy who can warp a whole dimension with a star in it in Riders and the black hole by the final boss could also potentially be worth something. When did chaos emeralds specifically fight off evil though?

There's no consistent "starry sky stuff", the star feat from the Eggrobo was Dwarf Star level numerous times. And the Riders feats are inconsistent.

The Chaos Emeralds' purpose is to get rid of evil. In Sonic Chaos I believe, they (by themselves) cleared up an island-sized storm Eggman had created. In Sonic 06, by their power merely being invoked, they (by themselves) started destroying evil forces in the room and purging Mephiles' darkness. In Sonic Advance 3, the Master Emerald (by itself) restored the entire planet after Eggman had cracked it. Plus, good energies are the most powerful from the Chaos Emeralds.

You quoting that is again not AP or applicable to anything, just Chaos Emeralds doing good.

Anyhow, I agree with Inverted Tempest. Keep your wank on your own thread, please.
 
OK, you don't have to get so aggressive. Jeez...

It's stated Erazor absorbed power from the Arabian Nights and was causing it to disappear, not that absorbing the plot made the book vanish.

And uh, Darkspine didn't restore it. Erazor did, in his base form, while weakened.
 
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