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Persona 5 Profile Creation

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Dragonmasterxyz said:
well for base human Ryuji would be 10-A althought those stats aren't needed...
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I have everyone at 10-A

I have those stats just because I think it is merited since the persona stats are much higher then their base human selves.

It isnt that hard and I think it is required since anyone who does a vs debate with the characters will go

"Universe Level Persona? What and How?"

I think context matters.
 
Also JoJo characters have their tiers with their stands, why not the same treatment to persona characters?
 
Wait. Wouldn't the P5 cast be scaled with the MC since they participated in the final battle with the Final Boss?
 
Kazer7 said:
Wait. Wouldn't the P5 cast be scaled with the MC since they participated in the final battle with the Final Boss?
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No because the mc one shotted the final boss

And they almost died until he got his final form of Arsene.
 
So, if everybody agree with the 3-C cast, and Possibly 3-A final boss, is somebody interested in creating the pages?
 
I don't really agree with 3-A Yaldabaoth unless I can see the statements that he was fusing the human world with the Metaverse.
 
Okay. "At least 3-C" for Yaldabaoth then?
 
Statement in the Story Synopsis section directly stating Yalda as responsible for the fusion of Mementos and reality-

Story Synopsis: "The Phantom Theives are defeated, and the Grail begins to merge Mementos and reality."
 
Well considering the only extent of Yaldaboath powers being planet level in nature, I am still concerned with this slightly

In context, should we really have this many 3-C's for something we have only seen once.

I am not against it, but being skeptical here...

Also, Memento's as a whole is probably only the size of the planet if that.

It doesn't line up with any dungeons past Okumura.

Niijima's? A giant casino, thats it.

Shidos? A sunken city/country

And Yaldaboath is maybe still planet level with his dungeon size based on feats.

Playing devils advocate, it just doesn't line up with the rest of the story.
 
Antvasima said:
Okay. "At least 3-C" for Yaldabaoth then?
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I am making the profiles, I have the general template done.

I am just holding off on Yaldabaoth before I see a concrete argument for him being 3-C.

I think it could simply be an outlier.

Don't you think so?
 
I am not sure. Sorry.
 
I see,

Well I am more on the fence on 3-C persona characters.

As outlined above.

I think I would be fine with it if someone can prove that mementos was merged with the universe, then I will feel like it is consistent enough.

Otherwise,I am going to wait before I post the profiles for everyone tbh
 
That's for the best but i would be willing to bet pepole can prove it. I defintely think planet level is solid but i am a bit iffy on Perosona 5 charcters being tier 3
 
I wouldn't say it is an outlier seeing how the metaverse did indeed harbor Okumura's palace in which has visible stars in them. Just because a feat happens once doesn't automatically make it an outlier. Plus considering Lucifer's Morning Star and the fact that Satanael naturally learns Cosmic Flare. I belive it is safe to give them a 3-C if not higher ranking. It isn't like stuff like this is new to Persona as a whole since well P1 and 2 have Tier 2 feats.
 
Planet level seems legit. I can see where everyone is coming from but the whole burger feat is kinda sketchy at best... especially considering Yaldabaoth never did anything remotely close in scale. Even if we try to compare them to persona 1 and 2, its's not like the P5 cast even interacted with those characters. It might not be too far-fetched to put "Possibly 3-C" due to the nature of the metaverse but i don't really see it being anything solid. Definitely seems like an outlier to me though.
 
"Planet level seems legit. I can see where everyone is coming from but the whole burger feat is kinda sketchy at best... especially considering Yaldabaoth never did anything remotely close in scale."

If you don't agree with using a Special Attack animation as a feat, then we should downgrade every JRPG ever.
 
@Matt

It's not that I disagree with using the animation, it's more of the fact that it's something that goes far beyond anything the final boss ever did.
 
You realize Satanael naturally learns Cosmic Flare in which is incredibly similar to the Big Bang Challenge attack correct?
 
I'm aware of the name and such due to reading the thread but I actually haven't seen it in game yet. (Sorry about that, if someone has a video or something I'd appreciate it) Even so, does Yaldabaoth directly sacale to Satanael seeing as he was one-shotted and all?

I do of course accept you guys' judgement though if you disagree, just stating my own doubts.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
"Planet level seems legit. I can see where everyone is coming from but the whole burger feat is kinda sketchy at best... especially considering Yaldabaoth never did anything remotely close in scale."

If you don't agree with using a Special Attack animation as a feat, then we should downgrade every JRPG ever.
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I do agree sometimes but context matters And for this case, there is only one other feat that might be galactic level in proportion. I cant take even that seriously personally. I am more skeptical then just. "Lets just give 3-C Persona." That scaling we will be so atoricious, how many 3-C will we have just based on that one boss and those few skills

@Dragonmaster Still will have to give almost every cast member a 3-C ranking for trading blows with Okumura. And for MC, Yaldaboath etc. At Least 3-C? It just doesnt line up with at least two shadows and one god who are much stronger and yet dont have a feat of this calibur. I wouldnt mind Occams Razor here, but this leads too many questions I cant personally give them 3-C.
 
Edwellken said:
I do of course accept you guys' judgement though if you disagree, just stating my own doubts.
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I am more of a skeptic, the points you also made are valid.

5-B persona seems safer to me. I wouldnt mind 4-A to 3-C persona but I have too many questions as a fan that I wouldnt be able to accept this scaling. In hindsight, should have gave an earlier comment where I had my support rescinded tbh.
 
KinkiestSins said:
I do agree sometimes but context matters And for this case, there is only one other feat that might be galactic level in proportion. I cant take even that seriously personally. I am more skeptical then just. "Lets just give 3-C Persona." That scaling we will be so atoricious, how many 3-C will we have just based on that one boss and those few skills
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Basically this.
 
For Yaldaboath At Least 5-B, likely higher (Merged the Momento's and the Real World as a side effect of his awakening and not his full power.)

MC At Least 5-B, Likely Higher (One-shotted Yaldaboath)

This will be the general idea for what i am going to use for the two.

Everyone else in the main cast will get At Least 7-A, likely Low 6-B for competiting against Shido.

Futaba will probably be Unknown. Likely 7-A up to Low 6-B. Even though she is support, she is capable of keeping up with the main cast with their fight with Shido.

Etc etc This is my proposal. I think it is safer
 
@Kinkiest That's what YOU are using. Yet we really haven't had an agreement and as such. Hence why no file has been made since we are divided on 5-B or 3-C.
 
Guys.

The Final Boss DOESN'T have to show the best feats. If this was a requirement, then Frieza's feat would be an outlier since it's never surpassed by any on-screen feat in all of Classic Dragon Ball.

The cast would be 3-C.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
"Planet level seems legit. I can see where everyone is coming from but the whole burger feat is kinda sketchy at best... especially considering Yaldabaoth never did anything remotely close in scale."
If you don't agree with using a Special Attack animation as a feat, then we should downgrade every JRPG ever.
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I want to express my opnion that the most accurate evaluation of the characters should be Planet level + . It's the more logical progression (Castle - Musseum of Vanity- Floating Bank city- Desert- Spaceport- Casino (judicial system distorted) - Japan (in a game made by japaneses is almost continental level (lol) - And finally The world and Mementos fusing). In the game Okumura was imagining his palace as a way to ascend to a higher place, if this Palace really was the universe he shouldn't be able to imagine himself scaping

I'm a huge Persona fan and nothing would make happier than give them 3A/C Status but if we base our judgement on a burger gag feat I think we will make a mistake. I think that we should use he burger feat as an speed feat as Matthew said some comments ago

Even more, very soon they're going to make a Persona 5 Arena. Are we really going to scale the characters from Persona 3 and 4 that will appear to level 3?

P.D: I'm also a JRPG fan, and I wouldn't mind if we downgrade every JRPG to the right level
 
What about the Burger attack is a gag feat? Only thing gag-like appearance is how it looked. It still does large amounts of damage and such.

Looks like a gag=/= A gag

I agree with Matt.
 
Gag or not, it seems incredibly inconsistent. Especially when it would lead to the whole cast (and anyone who scales to them) being 3-C based off of a random mid game boss.
 
That isn't the argument I'm making. It's just the fact that we're basing everyone in the game on an attack animation (legitimate or not) used by one of Okumura's minions no less, that no story character, boss or otherwise managed to produce a comparable feat to.

It's not like they treated the attack as anything outrageous either, and pretty much disregarded it after it was over.
 
You realize this "minion" was way stronger than the likes of Okumura himself. And it is a required fight anyway. So that point is invalid. I could understand if it was optional, but you HAVE to fight that robot who is easily above the others.
 
You're right about the minion thing but my point about nobody else (either before or after) having a comparable feat still stands.
 
Not really. Not having a feat =/= PIS

Otherwise- Namek Saga Frieza would be stronger than Buuhan.....
 
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