Persona 3 Protagonist vs Squall Leonhart

[HST_Master]

I didn't say Makoto now did I?

Kotone Shiomi vs Squall Leonhart

4-A versions

Speed Equalized

Battle on Gran Pulse

Not Makoto: 5 (Milly, Solacis, Tarta, Florida, Gladeius)

Squall:

 

[Solacis]

Technically speaking, Kotone's canon name should still be Makoto Yuki, since the name is gender-neutral. Was actually wondering if we should change that.

Technically-Makoto uses Marin Karin and adds Squall to her highly-questionable harem GG.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Squall resists mind manip.

 

[HST_Master]

Although how would we disguish between her and male Yuki? Put (P3P) next to it?

Also bump.

 

[Solacis]

What's Squall's AP like?

Naming discussion can be saved for the discussion thread.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I'm not sure.

 

[HST_Master]

Somewhat below 8.13 Zettafoe due to being a bit weaker than Eden (Final Fantasy)

 

[Solacis]

You mean Zettafoe? Zettatons is Planet level.

In that case, Squall has a huge AP advantage.

 

[HST_Master]

Oof yeah, Zettafoe. If it's a stomp then I'll just switch to their Late Game and Disc 4 Keys.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

No, it's not like a huge AP advantage matters much against SMT / Persona characters when Minako has Tarujaka and Tarunda, along with Tetra/Makarakarn.

 

[Jinsye]

I mean

That's like a gap of 80,000x

I'm not sure if stat reduction and stat amp could cover that

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I see your point. But she does have Null/Reflect/Drain Physical Persona's, so I don't believe AP alone matters.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Would Squall be able to steal her persona's with Draw? or would she resist it due to Persona's being a manifestation of her soul?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Can Squall steal souls/minds? Because there's a lot into stealing Persona's.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

He can steal beings/summons that are merged with your conciousness. Not sure about Souls.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

That's almost good enough, if the beings in Minako's soul weren't linked to Jungian Archtypes.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

What persona does she lead with generally? Squall is extremely good at fighting summons. He can draw abilities from them and become resistant to them with a wave of his hand.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

She can lead with any Persona. Can Squall deal with Mudo/Hama?

 

[Thatsafloridathing]

Would Squall be able to resist Almighty Attacks as well?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I mean, they're just super strong attacks that negate attack absorption, nullification, reflection, elemental resistances, and law based defenses.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Yeah Almighty attacks would obliterate Squall.

 

[TartaChocholate]

Following

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Can he deal with Hama/Mudo though?

 

[HST_Master]

Depends on whether we consider Hama/Mudo as Death Manip. Even then he can junction the resistance from her and has resurrection.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

It's Mudo is manipulating death, and Hama is instant death through holy means.

 

[HST_Master]

Then he already has resistance without junctioning it from her.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

An Almight attack would likely 1 shot Squall. Does she lead with this in character or Persona's?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I mean... her Almighty Attacks come from her Persona's... so, I'd say yes. Also, why would it one shot? His dura should be a lot superior to hers, unless she can drastically reduce it with Debilitate/Tarunda/Rakunda/Sukunda.

 

[TartaChocholate]

How can Squall take down Kotone?

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Don't Almighty attacks Ignore conventional durability? Almighty spells should bypass Squalls resistances and Barriers/Damage reduction.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Nooo, that is a common misconception. They bypass RESISTANCES, not DURABILITY.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

How can Squall take down Kotone?

Squall has an AP advantage so strong if he so much as breathes on her she'll die, I'm not sure those stat debuffs can honestly reduce such an AP, but it's worth a try.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Squall probably wins with the Ap advantage I think. They basically have the exact same abilities but Squall's AP is much higher.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Having a stat advantage against an SMT / Persona character is often a very unreliable wincon, since she has Persona's that Null/Drain/Repel/Resist Physical attacks, along with Stats Reduction with things like what I listed earlier, and Tetrakarn, which reflects physical attacks.

I personally vote Minako via Almighty Attacks, Null/Drain/Repel+Stats Reduction which are all thought-based.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Does she resist Timestop and Sleep Manip? don't see it on her profile other then resisting 'status effect inducement'

Squall casts Stop. Buffs himself out the asshole. Summons all his GF's and breathes on her.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

She resists both, actually, with the upcoming revisions all Persona users will resist time stuff.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Well then this should be closed if she doesn't have it on her profile till the CRT's cause Squall stomps if she doesn't have resistance to Time-stop.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Is it thought-based?

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Moves his hand a little bit. Yeah like if Almighty attacks one shot him then yeah she wins.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

If he moves his hand, that still means Minako can get her attacks off first, since they're thought-based.

Again, there's nothing to support Almighty Attacks oneshotting him, Squall has far higher durability and AP, and she has to rely on debuffing tactics to actually hurt him.