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Hello y'all, here i am going to prove why Perfect Chaos should scale to the full power of the Chaos Emeralds, as we currently only rate him to 2-C based around him fighting a "baseline" Super Sonic......well, today i will show why Super Sonic at that time WASN'T at baseline power, but rather fighting at his peak, aka using the Full power that the Chaos Emeralds can produce. here we go
link for the translation we use for Otherworldly comedy storyline, which will be a main point later on, by WindiiGitlord
note1: Sonic Channel is currently accepted as a primary source/Primary Canon, and the Manual for Sonic Adventure itself would also count as a primary soruce for obvious reasons
note2: For this point, the point isn't him using the Arrow of light, but that it is verbatim stated that Chaos is too powerful to be harmed by Super Sonic, NO MATTER HOW POWERFUL HE IS, therefore, no matter how much Sonic powers up, be it his minimal or Full power, Chaos is simply too superior for Sonic to be able to harm him
"As it approached Sonic, it transformed into a purple Chaos Emerald, its original form, and emitted a strong light… and as if in response, the brooch on Sonic’s chest also transformed into a white Chaos Emerald and began to shine.
Blaze and Sonic nodded silently. And at that moment, all of them understood at the same time what they should do now.
“…You better have this, Sonic!”
“The charm of victory! It’s yours!”
“Sonic! I’m gonna let ya handle this one!”
One after another, the tiara, pendant, and transformation belt filled with their hopes gather at Sonic. They are restored to their original forms and shine brightly in a variety of colors."
therefore, Perfect Chaos' situation for Sonic to transform has precedent for other situations in the series to be the Emeralds at their full power, which is perfectly supported by the earlier statements and scaling presented
"The runaway disaster that once submerged Station Square. The “God of Destruction,” who wanted to ruin everything indiscriminately, further attacked Sonic with an energy breath that could pierce mountains. Eggman rattled on in a good mood.
“This is the world where I have Chaos under my control and everything has gone well! By defeating you and making this other world ‘original,’ my ‘otherworld conquest’ will be complete!”
Plus....Sonic wasn't destroying them with AP, as explained by Eggman, Sonic was actually Nullifying his "Otherwordlyfication", making all of them disapear as a result, with Sonic explaining this as well when Eggman questions his ability to easily make all Perfect Chaos' disappear
"The energy of the roars evaporated the seawater hundreds of meters around them, sending a plume of vapor smoke high into the sky, but…
When the smoke eventually dissipated into the wind, there was a golden hedgehog, unharmed and still in the sky.
“…That won’t work on me!”
“This cannot be! Perhaps the power of Super Sonic neutralizes otherworldification…? Wait, could it be…!”
Which is even clearer by later interaction of Super Sonic and the constructs of Otherworldlyfication:
"As Eggman continues his desperate escape, he raises his hand and his surroundings are instantly transformed into an alternate world in outer space. The “Eclipse Cannon,” an optical weapon mounted on the Space Colony ARK that can pierce even the stars, points its muzzle at Sonic, and the enormous energy of the cannon strikes him, but…
“I told you it doesn’t work!”
Baaang!
“Eeeep!”
When Sonic roared and emitted a golden aura, the other world vanished like mist. The fake cosmos also collapsed. Eggman, who runs away with no other trick up his sleeve, continues to create alternate worlds, whether he knows it is futile or not.
…A world where he used the power of Dark Gaia to complete the new Eggmanland.
…A world where he perfected the ultimate weapon with the planet’s life energy, with the help of the Six Demons serving under him.
…A world where he took control of the runaway Mother Wisp and brainwashed all living things around the world.
But all of the alternate worlds of Eggman’s dreams are instantly drowned out by the brilliance of Super Sonic.
“Give it up, Eggman! So much for your stupid ‘otherworld conquest’ thing!”
“Stuff it! You’re eradicating all my dreams!”
so it wasn't ever because Sonic was too powerful, it was simply Sonic nullifying the ability that was making the Perfect Chaos' exist in the first place
A BIG, BIG thank you to @ShakeResounding for helping me out with this thing
Note4: Here are some rebuttals to some common counter arguments to the arguments on this thread
Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:
link for the translation we use for Otherworldly comedy storyline, which will be a main point later on, by WindiiGitlord
note1: Sonic Channel is currently accepted as a primary source/Primary Canon, and the Manual for Sonic Adventure itself would also count as a primary soruce for obvious reasons
Main arguments
1 Stated blatantly to have fought Sonic while the latter was using the Full/Maximum power of the emeralds
This is the most straight forward point, in the Sonic Channel Bio it is said that Super Sonic used the Full Power of the Emeralds to fight Perfect Chaos (Translations done by Windii, which i got extra confirmation from @Executor_N0 that it is accurate). aka the emeralds were at their full power2 No matter how much power Sonic gets from the Emeralds, he straight up can't harm him in anyway unless he uses a charged attack, the arrow of light
It is said that Chaos in this state is way too powerful for Super Sonic to harm "No matter how powerful" he is, aka, no matter how much power Sonic draws from the Emeralds, Chaos is simply too durable for him to harm at all with his normal attacks, so he should be > Chaos Emeralds' Full Power since not even that would be enough to harm him without the extra stats amp of a charged attacknote2: For this point, the point isn't him using the Arrow of light, but that it is verbatim stated that Chaos is too powerful to be harmed by Super Sonic, NO MATTER HOW POWERFUL HE IS, therefore, no matter how much Sonic powers up, be it his minimal or Full power, Chaos is simply too superior for Sonic to be able to harm him
3 His data is what made Metal Overlord the threat he is
The way Metal Overlord, accepted as 1-C currently, achieved his power was via copying Perfect Chaos' data. which combined with the fact that it also cannot be harmed at all by Super Sonic unless he uses a charged combined attack with Tails and Knuckles + Eggman saying that even with the Emeralds they will need a miracle to beat him, makes it clear that they are fighting a Peak Super Form opponent. hence why they straight up cannot harm him, which wouldn't happen if they could simply power up further to do so4 Similar situation to other confirmed Full Power Super Sonic situations
To power up the Chaos Emeralds for his final fight with Perfect Chaos, Sonic channeled his emotions/"heart" with not only his friends, but all civilians of Station Square, which is a similar situations to other accepted Full Power Super Sonic opponents, like Solaris, who the Emeralds channeled the power of all present to make him go Super, and Light-Man Eggman, who Sonic had the Emeralds charge up with all the "heart" and past essences of all his friends present as well:"As it approached Sonic, it transformed into a purple Chaos Emerald, its original form, and emitted a strong light… and as if in response, the brooch on Sonic’s chest also transformed into a white Chaos Emerald and began to shine.
Blaze and Sonic nodded silently. And at that moment, all of them understood at the same time what they should do now.
“…You better have this, Sonic!”
“The charm of victory! It’s yours!”
“Sonic! I’m gonna let ya handle this one!”
One after another, the tiara, pendant, and transformation belt filled with their hopes gather at Sonic. They are restored to their original forms and shine brightly in a variety of colors."
therefore, Perfect Chaos' situation for Sonic to transform has precedent for other situations in the series to be the Emeralds at their full power, which is perfectly supported by the earlier statements and scaling presented
Support points
He uses the Arrow of Light during the confrontation, which is a tecnhique only ever used against Full Powered Super Sonic opponents over the years
this is more of a support point, but it is said that Sonic can only harm Perfect Chaos by using his Arrow of Light Technique, which is historically a move he only ever pulled up against Peak Super Form opponents, like Solaris and Light-Man EggmanAddressing things
1 Base Sonic defeated Chaos
While true, given the evidence above for Chaos to be Peak Super Form tier/1-C, we can easily discard this as an outlier, Chaos should be able to easily destroy Sonic with one attack..........which is said in the series itself, in Otherworldly comedy it is said that if Chaos hits base Sonic at all, which is a Sonic after Generations where he fought Chaos, Sonic would have died and that Super Sonic, accepted as using his Full Power here, could barely dodge attacks from these Chaos, and no, this isn't a hypotetical "Modern Perfect Chaos" this is a World Eggman created where, in Sonic Adventure, he was able to control Chaos completely, aka this is Adventure Era Perfect Chaos from a world recreating these events"The runaway disaster that once submerged Station Square. The “God of Destruction,” who wanted to ruin everything indiscriminately, further attacked Sonic with an energy breath that could pierce mountains. Eggman rattled on in a good mood.
“This is the world where I have Chaos under my control and everything has gone well! By defeating you and making this other world ‘original,’ my ‘otherworld conquest’ will be complete!”
2 Super Sonic when at full power easily destroyed several Perfect Chaos clones with his Aura alone
yes, but no, see there is more context for why he was able to do it. For one, those Chaos' were not as strong as the original Perfect Chaos. "But the Phantom Ruby clones are as powerful as the original!" Yeah, normally that is true........but in this case, Perfect Chaos is a Chaos Energy user. Chaos Energy is displayed and accepted to rely on emotions to show their true power, which is something that Super Sonic comments Perfect Chaos lacks before he explains why he can deal with them so easily to Eggman. considering how both the OG Perfect Chaos and Super Sonic are powered by the same thing, the Chaos Emeralds, this comparison becomes even more clear. so no, Chaos wasn't as strong as he should be due to not having "heart" to fuel his Chaos Energy to its true potentialPlus....Sonic wasn't destroying them with AP, as explained by Eggman, Sonic was actually Nullifying his "Otherwordlyfication", making all of them disapear as a result, with Sonic explaining this as well when Eggman questions his ability to easily make all Perfect Chaos' disappear
"The energy of the roars evaporated the seawater hundreds of meters around them, sending a plume of vapor smoke high into the sky, but…
When the smoke eventually dissipated into the wind, there was a golden hedgehog, unharmed and still in the sky.
“…That won’t work on me!”
“This cannot be! Perhaps the power of Super Sonic neutralizes otherworldification…? Wait, could it be…!”
Which is even clearer by later interaction of Super Sonic and the constructs of Otherworldlyfication:
"As Eggman continues his desperate escape, he raises his hand and his surroundings are instantly transformed into an alternate world in outer space. The “Eclipse Cannon,” an optical weapon mounted on the Space Colony ARK that can pierce even the stars, points its muzzle at Sonic, and the enormous energy of the cannon strikes him, but…
“I told you it doesn’t work!”
Baaang!
“Eeeep!”
When Sonic roared and emitted a golden aura, the other world vanished like mist. The fake cosmos also collapsed. Eggman, who runs away with no other trick up his sleeve, continues to create alternate worlds, whether he knows it is futile or not.
…A world where he used the power of Dark Gaia to complete the new Eggmanland.
…A world where he perfected the ultimate weapon with the planet’s life energy, with the help of the Six Demons serving under him.
…A world where he took control of the runaway Mother Wisp and brainwashed all living things around the world.
But all of the alternate worlds of Eggman’s dreams are instantly drowned out by the brilliance of Super Sonic.
“Give it up, Eggman! So much for your stupid ‘otherworld conquest’ thing!”
“Stuff it! You’re eradicating all my dreams!”
so it wasn't ever because Sonic was too powerful, it was simply Sonic nullifying the ability that was making the Perfect Chaos' exist in the first place
Conclusion
Perfect Chaos should be upgraded to 1-C via scaling to a Full Powered Super Sonic, and should be considered a "Full Powered" Chaos Energy user as well like Solaris or The Titans are, and his fight with Sonic in Generations has to go back to being an outlier as earlier stories make clear that an weaker clone of Perfect Chaos could completely one shot Sonic have him not been SuperA BIG, BIG thank you to @ShakeResounding for helping me out with this thing
Note3: Please.....PLEASE don't bring up 1-C base Sonic in this, i don't want to talk about it here, AT ALL
Note4: Here are some rebuttals to some common counter arguments to the arguments on this thread
Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:
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