Pegasus Seiya and Son Goku VS Hao Asakura and Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann ( Mech)

[Nkonjo]

All characters in their most powerfull states

Death Match

 

[Hyperception]

Hao and TTGL due to hakks.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

At their most powerful im assuming you mean Tenkai hen seiya then?

Hmm seiya is far faster then STTGL but STTGL is stronger than him he has hax to make up for that gap however.Hao is too much for Goku due to hax so team 2 wins for now.

 

[JoJo_Fanboy]

Simon Solos. He traps them in extra dimensional space in a series of universes that are created instant to instant as they are percieved, and if you have intelligence you can never break out (the only reason Simon and team Dai-Gurren broke out is because it's Gurren Lagann lol...and they have spiral power, that sh*t is broken as ****). Goku isn't a threat, and Seiya at his best damaged Hades armor (which was hyped to have Universe durability), TTGL (NOT STTGL may I add) tanked a blast comparable to the Big Bang, so I don't see how either could even do any harm to STTGL. Also @Chill Simon out haxes Seiya (Simon should have all the abilities Anti-Spiral had, and he could potentially have Casualty Manipulation too.). Tbh Hao could potentially solo too.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Anti-Sprial has probability manipulation though not casualty as far as I know.And not sure that's possible since STTGL is billions faster than light whole Seiya is quintillions in his bronze cloth 8th sense let alone Gold cloth or God cloth.I say team 2 wins but with much difficulty.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

Anti-Sprial has probability manipulation though not casualty as far as I know.And not sure that's possible since STTGL is billions faster than light whole Seiya is quintillions in his bronze cloth 8th sense let alone Gold cloth or God cloth.I say team 2 wins but with much difficulty.

This is regular TTLG, not STTLG. STTLG at the very least is hundreds of trillions-quadrillions times FTL thanks to it's size.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Oh then team 1 stomps .

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

What is Goku doing here? he gets stomped by 95% tier 3B character. Goku has almost zero notable hax. He shouldn't be put anywhere near other 3B chars outside DB. It will add more losses to his profile

 

[JoJo_Fanboy]

Anti-Sprial has probability manipulation though not casualty as far as I know.And not sure that's possible since STTGL is billions faster than light whole Seiya is quintillions in his bronze cloth 8th sense let alone Gold cloth or God cloth.I say team 2 wins but with much difficulty.

After Nia's death someone on team Dai-Gurren (I forget who lol) asked Simon to bring her back to life, he declined and said he doesn't want to interfere and bring the old generation back. And speed doesn't really matter in this case when they can't really damage STTGL, also some probabilty manipulation will make sure all attacks hit them, and the extra dimensional attack will affect anyone with sentient form, you can't dodge it. Team 1 is out haxed and out powered, Team 2 wins with mid dif at best.

 

[JoJo_Fanboy]

@Fasial The OP says everyone at full power, so that means STTGL. @Chill They get stomped*

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Speed should matter since Seiya has hax of his own atomic destruction by focusing all his power into a single point Seiya is able to destroy all of his targets atoms since the beginning of the series.Seiya also transcends life and death with 8th sense .He entered the spiritual plane with his physical body and left with no problem.Can this extra dimensional attack reach a being in the quintillions in one of his weakest forms?

 

[JoJo_Fanboy]

Speed should matter since Seiya has hax of his own atomic destruction by focusing all his power into a single point Seiya is able to destroy all of his targets atoms since the beginning of the series.Seiya also transcends life and death with 8th sense .He entered the spiritual plane with his physical body and left with no problem.Can this extra dimensional attack reach a being in the quintillions in one of his weakest forms?

Yes it can reach him, like I said it isn't a attack you can dodge, if you precieve extra dimensional space you are trapped in it. Him being sentient means he is trapped. Speed doesn't matter also because of Probability Manipulation, any attack STTGL throws will have it's probability be 100% of hitting Seiya. Also he only damaged Hades armor, which again by hype is only Universal. Regular TTGL tanked a blast equal to the Big Bang...A Universal attack. How does Seiya even harm STTGL, a form with Universal + durability? Simon outclasses him flat out dude. Honestly this thread should be changed too Seiya Vs Hao, because that's the only interesting match up here.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

Well team 2 wins cause better hax and Goku has no notable hax yet so ya....

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

He actually didn't only damage Hades"s armor but that's not relevant right now.And again this is Seiya at his best which is tenkai hen it's not canon but it's his strongest form he became one with the universe and he likely beats TTGL due to his speed and hax also durability is a non factor atomic destruction bypasses durability.If this is regular Seiya I'll give it to team 2 but if it's not then team 1 wins even with his probability manipulation and attacks he can't bypass Seiyas armor to get a hit Seiya is between life and death casualty manipulation will flat out do nothing to him with 8th sense.The extra dimensional labyrinth falls under illusions and Seiya can literally faze illusions and non physical entities.Tenkai hen Seiya Team 1 if Regular Seiya team 2.

 

[JoJo_Fanboy]

He actually didn't only damage Hades"s armor but that's not relevant right now.And again this is Seiya at his best which is tenkai hen it's not canon but it's his strongest form he became one with the universe and he likely beats TTGL due to his speed and hax also durability is a non factor atomic destruction bypasses durability.If this is regular Seiya I'll give it to team 2 but if it's not then team 1 wins even with his probability manipulation and attacks he can't bypass Seiyas armor to get a hit Seiya is between life and death casualty manipulation will flat out do nothing to him with 8th sense.The extra dimensional labyrinth falls under illusions and Seiya can literally faze illusions and non physical entities.Tenkai hen Seiya Team 1 if Regular Seiya team 2.

If it's non cannon, why bring it up? And Extra Dimensional space isn't really an illusion, it's what ever you precieve becomes it's own universe and this happens infinitely for whatever you precieve, I guess for lack of a better word it's an "illusion", if you are sentient or have any form of intelligence, you are trapped. And I think atoms would be destroyed in a blast equaled to the big bang, something regular ol' TTGL tanked. Also Simon can destroy space, time, and dimensions...he's breaking through Seiya's armor lmao. And Anti-Spiral was a higher dimensional being (I think 11th dimension IIRC), capable of creating dimensions and univereses, Simon surpassed him in power...I don't think this non cannon Seiya beats Simon either way. Also what's Atomic Destruction going to do to pure Spiral Energy, capable of tanking Big Bang attacks, and stuff of the like? Not to mention Simon can repair STTGL and TTGL at will, so any damage won't be permanent. Don't wank Seiya bruh, Simon stomps either way unless this non cannon Seiya is 2-C?

 

[JoJo_Fanboy]

And also STTGL is the size of a Universe...STTGL is faster than Seiya by casually walking lol.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

...I brought it up because the post said characters at their best but anyways first of all -http://i.imgur.com/wCCxp8s.jpg A Gold Saint tanked that for starters.Secondly in a place were space and time are distorted and anyone who isn't a God gets reduced to nothingness Seiya crosses that-http://saintseiya.wikia.com/wiki/Hyperdimension Also creating dimensions and universes doesn't make you higher dimensional at all....but yeah if this is regular Seiya he loses and I'm not wanking when stating facts here .And the dude Seiya trashed in his God cloth is capable of killing people with thoughts across universe ranges and creating cracks in dimensions anyways.Team 2 wins but not without difficulty.

 

[JoJo_Fanboy]

And actually, no, it can't be classified as an illusion at all...since it's in fact reality. Whatever you precieve becomes it's own reality, it's own universe, which happens infinitely for whatever you precieve. You are then trapped in this labrynith of infinite universes, of which you could never escape.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

And also STTGL is the size of a Universe...STTGL is faster than Seiya by casually walking lol.

STTGL is only quadrillions FTL lol bronze cloth Seiya with 8th sense is quintillions FTL and there's still gold and God cloth not a chance .lol

 

[JoJo_Fanboy]

...I brought it up because the post said characters at their best but anyways first of all -http://i.imgur.com/wCCxp8s.jpgA Gold Saint tanked that for starters.Secondly in a place were space and time are distorted and anyone who isn't a God gets reduced to nothingness Seiya crosses that-http://saintseiya.wikia.com/wiki/HyperdimensionAlso creating dimensions and universes doesn't make you higher dimensional at all....but yeah if this is regular Seiya he loses and I'm not wanking when stating facts here .And the dude Seiya trashed in his God cloth is capable of killing people with thoughts across universe ranges and creating cracks in dimensions anyways.Team 2 wins but not without difficulty.

Ok, but you don't just assume strongest including non-cannon, unless specifically stated so. Then I could bring in whatever fanfiction I want, you see how that just doesn't work? Actual scans of the move would be appreciated. Simon himself can rip and destroy Time and Space, so someone crossing distorted space time isn't too impressive.Anti-Spiral stated that the dimension he had created was in between the 12th and the 11th dimension, this does in fact make him higher dimensional lol. I was just also stating he can create entire Universes and Dimensions. I'm not seeing how someone that is only 3-A can bring trouble to someone who is 2-C, there is a pretty big gap there. Simon just has too much hax, and power, and by virtue of STTGLs size speed also for Seiya. Simon ends it quickly with the Extra Dimensional Labyrinth, which isn't an illusion may I mind you. I'll refer to my previous post. "And actually, no, it can't be classified as an illusion at all...since it's in fact reality. Whatever you precieve becomes it's own reality, it's own universe, which happens infinitely for whatever you precieve. You are then trapped in this labrynith of infinite universes, of which you could never escape."

 

[JoJo_Fanboy]

And also STTGL is the size of a Universe...STTGL is faster than Seiya by casually walking lol.

STTGL is only quadrillions FTL lol bronze cloth Seiya with 8th sense is quintillions FTL and there's still gold and God cloth not a chance .lol

How may I ask? Seiya crossed some galaxies in minutes, and that's his best speed feat right? How is that faster than something the size of the observable universe? But sure Seiya is faster lmao. And as if any of this matters, Simon has moves that make speed irrelevant.

 

[JoJo_Fanboy]

And also STTGL is the size of a Universe...STTGL is faster than Seiya by casually walking lol.

STTGL is only quadrillions FTL lol bronze cloth Seiya with 8th sense is quintillions FTL and there's still gold and God cloth not a chance .lol

And also where are you getting Quadrillions from may I ask?

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

I havent completed Gurren Lagan but we rate 11 dimensional characters 1-C and im not seeing any ratings like that from him and its not being in a higher dimensional plane that makes you higher dimensional we humans exist in 4th dimensional space were not 4-D its the numbers of spatial dimensions one can perceive and exist in iirc.To be fair the movie was canon until th athor decided to decanonize it with his spin off mange because he wasnt satisfied.And what move are you reffering to Athenas exclamation is just 3 gold saints combining their power to create force rivaling the big bang focused in a single point so its more attack potency then actual DC since its a focused attack.Anyways as i said team 2 wins but not without difficulty.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

And also STTGL is the size of a Universe...STTGL is faster than Seiya by casually walking lol.

STTGL is only quadrillions FTL lol bronze cloth Seiya with 8th sense is quintillions FTL and there's still gold and God cloth not a chance .lol

And also where are you getting Quadrillions from may I ask?

Saw some calcs of it.

 

[JoJo_Fanboy]

I havent completed Gurren Lagan but we rate 11 dimensional characters 1-C and im not seeing any ratings like that from him and its not being in a higher dimensional plane that makes you higher dimensional we humans exist in 4th dimensional space were not 4-D its the numbers of spatial dimensions one can perceive and exist in iirc.To be fair the movie was canon until th athor decided to decanonize it with his spin off mange because he wasnt satisfied.And what move are you reffering to Athenas exclamation is just 3 gold saints combining their power to create force rivaling the big bang focused in a single point so its more attack potency then actual DC since its a focused attack.Anyways as i said team 2 wins but not without difficulty.

I'm not well versed in higher dimensional tiering, but this is what Anti-Spiral said "So you're telling me you came all the way here to the space between the 10th and 11th Dimension (his dimension) (Also I messed up on the 11th and 12th, it's really 10th and 11th) so I can finish you?". I'm just not seeing how a 3-A gives difficulty to a 2-C with major hax, and this is all discounting Hao.

 

[JoJo_Fanboy]

And also STTGL is the size of a Universe...STTGL is faster than Seiya by casually walking lol.

STTGL is only quadrillions FTL lol bronze cloth Seiya with 8th sense is quintillions FTL and there's still gold and God cloth not a chance .lol

And also where are you getting Quadrillions from may I ask?

Saw some calcs of it.

Can I have a link?

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

Dropping this if anybody's interested

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

I'm not well versed in higher dimensional tiering, but this is what Anti-Spiral said "So you're telling me you came all the way here to the space between the 10th and 11th Dimension (his dimension) (Also I messed up on the 11th and 12th, it's really 10th and 11th) so I can finish you?". I'm just not seeing how a 3-A gives difficulty to a 2-C with major hax, and this is all discounting Hao.

Makes sense but to be fair I did say he'd win if it was regular STTGL and not TTGL if it's tenkai hen Seiya was rated low 2-C on his profile for that so of course with speed advantage and same power I'd go with Seiya it was obviously erased since it turned out non canon though you can check on the history however.As for the speed calc I'll need to look for it later I'll message you if I do.

 

[JoJo_Fanboy]

I'm not well versed in higher dimensional tiering, but this is what Anti-Spiral said "So you're telling me you came all the way here to the space between the 10th and 11th Dimension (his dimension) (Also I messed up on the 11th and 12th, it's really 10th and 11th) so I can finish you?". I'm just not seeing how a 3-A gives difficulty to a 2-C with major hax, and this is all discounting Hao.

Makes sense but to be fair I did say he'd win if it was regular STTGL and not TTGL if it's tenkai hen Seiya was rated low 2-C on his profile for that so of course with speed advantage and same power I'd go with Seiya it was obviously erased since it turned out non canon though you can check on the history however.As for the speed calc I'll need to look for it later I'll message you if I do.
Low 2-C would only make him equal to regular TTGL. STTGL still outclasses him. So they win either way. Regular TTGL (Little more than Galaxy size) is already Quadrillion xLS based on it's size http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=700885. STTGL (Size of Observable Universe) is FAR faster based on it's size, honestly it's probably higher than the Quintillion range (You'll have to give a calc if you believe other wise since Galaxy size is already quadrillion, something the size of billions of galaxies should be billions of quadrillions in speed based on size). So even with non cannon Seiya, he's out Haxed, Out Powered, and Out Speed quite frankly. Simon just Out Classes Seiya. Like I've said, this match would far more interesting if it was just Hao and Seiya.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

You do realize that quintillions FTL is a bronze cloth seiya right?

I agree simon wins for now though im certain Seiya will be above him eos however the fact remains Seiya is indeed faster then simon that"ll remain the same.And Hao is not even universal and despite his omnipresence was getting blitzed by not even FTL characters iirc so pretty sure it wouldnt matter.

 

[JoJo_Fanboy]

You do realize that quintillions FTL is a bronze cloth seiya right?
I agree simon wins for now though im certain Seiya will be above him eos however the fact remains Seiya is indeed faster then simon that"ll remain the same.And Hao is not even universal and despite his omnipresence was getting blitzed by not even FTL characters iirc so pretty sure it wouldnt matter.

You're not even giving reasons on how Seiya is faster, while I'm giving reasons why Simon is...Seiya's best speed feat is crossing galaxies in minutes, is it not? Why would that be faster than someone who is the size of a universe? Literally STTGL walking is faster than Seiya. TTGL is Quadrillion xLS and it's the size of a Galaxy (Maybe the size of 2-3). STTGL is the size of a the observable universe, which billions (if not more) of galaxies. So that means STTGL is a Quadrillion X Billions times faster than the speed of light. Is Seiya that fast? And as for Hao, isn't he incorpreal in GS? And is Seiya immune to Soul F*ckery?

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

He is actually and that was his weakest form eos.His gold cloth early on in the series made him FTL while he was hypersonic mach 3-5 so it increased his speed by hundred thousand times over thats already sextillion to septillions FTL while not including his God cloth.Also he is immune to a certain degree however.

 

[JoJo_Fanboy]

He is actually and that was his weakest form eos.His gold cloth early on in the series made him FTL while he was hypersonic mach 3-5 so it increased his speed by hundred thousand times over thats already sextillion to septillions FTL while not including his God cloth.Also he is immune to a certain degree however.

I still doubt that's more than the actual speed of STTGL, I'm terrible with math but a quadrillion x 200 Billion (Low ball number of galaxies in the universe) should at least be in the same ball park. This is only taking in account the size of a stationary STTGL, a moving STTGL is going to be FAR faster. And again I ask, isn't Seiyas best speed feat crossing galaxies in MINUTES (in god cloth also I believe). How is this even close to the speed of an object the size of the observable universe? And what do you mean by "immune to a certain degree"? Because Hao has some VERY potent soul hax.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

It is but space-time were disorted and he was doing it while varying someone so it's pretty casual you could say and also it was done in bronze cloth not God cloth.But anyways soul manipulation of Hades"s degree was somewhat resisted by him .Hades attacks the soul/physical body and astral form at once.And Hades>Hao.

 

[JoJo_Fanboy]

It is but space-time were disorted and he was doing it while varying someone so it's pretty casual you could say and also it was done in bronze cloth not God cloth.But anyways soul manipulation of Hades"s degree was somewhat resisted by him .Hades attacks the soul/physical body and astral form at once.And Hades>Hao.

What does some what resisted mean? How resistant was he? And as for Hades > Hao, yes. Also Hades > Hao, in terms of versatility, maybe, in fact probable. Hades > Hao, in terms of pure Soul hax (it doesn't matter if he can attack your physical and astral form at once, we're talking in pure Soul Manipulation scale and potency) Hades > Hao, no. Hao can control all souls in the universe. Also I'd like to say his profile neglects other abilities of his such has time manipulation (took Yoh out from a random timeline in Flowers).

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Hades is God of the underworld he rules over the spiritual plane and can induce death to any living being he pleases or revive anyone at will.And Hades"s sword cuts the soul/astral form at the same time Seiya took some shots from him and even caught the sword once pretty much it.Hao iirc has soul suck and can kill with a glare or something along those lines wouldn't work given 8th sense.And as for Hao"s profile we'll you can just add it if you want.

 

[JoJo_Fanboy]

Hades is God of the underworld he rules over the spiritual plane and can induce death to any living being he pleases or revive anyone at will.And Hades"s sword cuts the soul/astral form at the same time Seiya took some shots from him and even caught the sword once pretty much it.Hao iirc has soul suck and can kill with a glare or something along those lines wouldn't work given 8th sense.And as for Hao"s profile we'll you can just add it if you want.

Hao is basically the same lmao. He can revive anyone at will, and the GS governs over all spirits. But if he has indeed shown he is at least resistant, he should win with out too much difficulty. Well actually he couldn't kill Hao, but Hao can't kill him...so stalemate maybe. (If not for immortality Seiya would win Low, possibly Mid difficulty).

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Lol alright then.Stalemate I guess.

 

[JoJo_Fanboy]

@Chill Hey, actually I've been meaning to read SS after dropping the unbearable anime (Toei being Toei lol). Do you know where I can find a completed translation for the original series online? (all I find are uncompleted translations when I look)

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

I honestly dont know the manga is pretty hard to find i only watched the anime.