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Particle Style Reexamination: It's Not Macro-Quantum Guys

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Introduction:​

I’ve been delving into how Particle Style actually functions for a while now and I believe I figured out how the ability mechanically works. With this, a reexamination is required, as the current explanation on the profiles doesn't fully encapsulate how the ability truly works.

Particle Style, how does it function?​

In this section, I will explain how I believe Particle Style works, specifically how it achieves its effect of deconstructing objects down to molecules.

We must start off with the primary piece of evidence used to substantiate Particle Style’ ability to deconstruct matter down to the molecular level. It’s stated in the databooks, specifically databook four, that Particle Style disintegrates the target down to the molecular level, which further supported by Onoki’s claim of Particle Style reducing objects to a “near-molecular level.” With this, I believe the assertion of Particle Style decomposing objects down to such a minute degree is fine and contextually supported.

However, there is an issue that isn’t addressed or really acknowledged by the profiles. In the databook scan used, we’re given a statement that Particle Style can decompose any Ninja Tools or Ninjutsu. This is a problem because Lightning Style, which is accepted as possessing similar qualities as actual lightning, such as having an electrical discharge and by consequence a composition of electrons that carry the discharge, is thus entailed to be constructed of subatomic particles that exist below the molecular level. The sentiment is carried throughout the series, we have an interesting statement made by Tsunade that Onoki is the only one capable of standing up to Mu, the Second Tsuchikage, because only Particle Style can cancel out another’s usage of Particle Style. The statement was made under the context of the Raikage being there, the same Raikage who can cloak himself in Lightning Style that explicitly projects across his entire body, making an interpretation of Mu only being a threat because he could sneak attack him through a blind spot, completely unsubstantiated.

So we have an issue here. If it’s accepted that it only decomposes things to a molecular level, how can it decompose objects which explicitly aren’t constructed of molecules like Lightning Style? I believe the solution here is rather quite simple actually. I’ll explain the solution below to make the thread more digestible.

Solution:​

Continuing from above, I believe the solution for our problem is rather simple: In all the explanations we’re given, there are two forms of evidence that point to my conclusion being the most correct.

In the first form of evidence: Databook Four’s description of Particle Style explains how the ability functions in a more direct manner, and to exactly quote; “A box of destruction that disintegrates to the roots of the material and eliminates the leftovers.”

It’s explained that Particle Style works by reducing an object down to its root materials, its bare necessities, and further eliminates anything remaining after the decomposition has occurred. I believe what we’re supposed to infer here is that Particle Style has two states of action, the initial is decomposition and the sequential one is some form of destruction that destroys anything left behind after it was deconstructed.

With this, the next form of evidence further concretes this interpretation is as follows.

In the second form of evidence: Anytime Onoki uses Particle Style in combat, the language used is one that implies the structure in question is getting atomically dismantled. It’s not reducing them to atoms, but is rather breaking apart the atomic bonds that hold molecules together. I think this is consistently portrayed and would address a substantial contradiction in Onoki’s claims if we only assume it’s molecularly deconstructing objects without interacting at all with the atomic bonds that structure them.

With both evidential points addressed and explained, this is how I feel the ability works, explained in a condensed manner.

"Particle Style works by atomically dismantling the bonds between molecules to reduce an object down to molecules. After this process has been completed, the object is then destroyed through an ultimately unexplained effect, but one that is capable of destroying energy like the electrical discharge of Lightning Style."

With this explanation it would address how Lightning Style is decomposed, which is by atomically breaking apart the Plasmid body of the lightning, and it would address how the energy is destroyed without it contradicting Onoki’s statement, which is through an unknown, but powerful effect that destroys energy through a process distinct from decomposition.

Conclusion:​

In conclusion, Particle Style needs a new explanation (which I will give later) and Power Nullification through its ability to destroy energy separate from its ability to decompose matter.

Voting:​

Agree: @UchihaSlayer96, @LordGriffin1000, @Theglassman12 (Agrees with new justification for Deconstruction), @LephyrTheRevanchist

Disagree: @DontTalkDT, @Damage3245 (Power Nullification)

Neutral: @Damage3245 (On new justification for Deconstruction?) @Theglassman12 (Neutral on Power Nullification)
 
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I mean, it seems logical, however as a certified opponent of the Naruto verse (despite my lack of disagreements on Naruto threads) I'm going to half to disagree... I mean agree (Begrudgingly)
 
I'm mostly neutral but leaning to disagree on this. I can see where you're coming from for your conclusion but I think you're conflating two pieces of evidence.

There's the statement of:


But when it comes to the part about the jutsu & Ninja Tools, it says:

"Since it disintegrates the target it comes in contact with to a molecular level, any defence with ninja tools or ninjutsu is impossible."

It doesn't attribute some additional level of destruction for this, but simply disintegrating at the molecular level is what make defence impossible. What that means to me is that even if you did have jutsu like an earth wall, a fireball, lightning armor, or even the Susano'o - none of them would survive being hit by something that disintegrates at the molecular level; regardless of if they're made of atoms, electrons or pure energy, etc.

The databook is providing an explanation for why they wouldn't work as defence, but you seem to be extrapolating your own explanation for it.
 
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I crafted the new justification last night, so here it is. If anything is missing that would be important to place in the justification, let me know and I'll add it when I can.

Deconstruction and Power Nullification (Molecular - Particle Style is considered an indefensible Jutsu given its effect of molecularly decomposing anything it comes in contact with, be it Ninjutsu or Ninja Tools, by dismantling the atomic bonds that hold the molecules together. Sequentially, anything that is decomposed by Particle Style is further decimated by its ability to destroy residual energy that wasn’t completely dispersed by the initial phase of Particle Style’s decomposition)
 
This just sounds like molecular level disintegration to me.
The thing is, to make defense with lightning impossible there is no real need to deconstruct electrons or erase energy. If you separate a lightning bolt into molecule-sized chunks it will still disperse. (In essence like a stream of water stops being a defense if you disperse it into mist, despite mist still being water particles)
So with no particular statement about how it deals with lightning, other than that it somehow does since it's included in ninjutsu, I think anything beyond the effect it has otherwise is too speculative.
 
So, no, I'm not really back. Not yet at least. Dealing with IRL stuff and what have you, but I'm looking at this as a favor to my boy, Deceived.

Yeah, this revision looks good to me, I agree. The revised justification looks great as well. Nice work.

Uh, yeah, see ya when I see ya ig!
Ngl, seeing you’re doing well made me happy
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This just sounds like molecular level disintegration to me.
The thing is, to make defense with lightning impossible there is no real need to deconstruct electrons or erase energy. If you separate a lightning bolt into molecule-sized chunks it will still disperse. (In essence like a stream of water stops being a defense if you disperse it into mist, despite mist still being water particles)
So with no particular statement about how it deals with lightning, other than that it somehow does since it's included in ninjutsu, I think anything beyond the effect it has otherwise is too speculative.
I agree it's just Molecular level disintegration, that only deals with the consequence of the ability however. I believe it achieves its disintegration by breaking the atomic bonds that hold the molecules together to dismantle someone to such a granular level, and the evidence I have to support this conclusion is that contextually, the ability is always described in the same sense, using the same wording of it atomically dismantling the target, which heavily implies it's breaking apart an object through an explained means rather than just decomposing something through an unexplained process. It doesn't require the Lightning Style stuff to exist as it's separate from that entirely.

If it's the case that Lightning Style can be dispersed by Molecular level disintegration instrinctly, without further elaboration, I'd be completely fine with it. I don't see how this addresses the conclusion of the thread however, as it doesn't even bring up Lightning Style specifically, it rather brings up the argument of it breaking apart atomic bonds, and it destroying residual matter or energy as implied by the databook (which specifically distinguishes between the decomposition and elimination aspects of the ability, and I interpret the elimination part as being applicable under what Power Nullification describes)

Even with this explanation, if you believe it's still too speculative, can I see your rationale as to why it's too speculative, since I don't believe you really explained this in your post.
 
So, Deceived, to put it super simply so DT doesn’t get confused. You are stating that regardless of whether or not Particle Style’s molecular decon would enable Onoki to “destroy” Lightning style jutsu or not, you believe (for the reasons you lay out blatantly and clearly) that Particle Style would still have its power null. In simpler terms, DT’s point regarding lightning is wholly irrelevant to your argument regarding power null.
 
I'm not certain I follow as to how destroying matter/energy is being linked to Power Nullification here.

To me there is a difference between destroying a technique and negating a technique. Unlike say Obito's Truth-Seeking Orbs, Onoki's Particle Style doesn't nullify Ninjutsu, it just can't be defended against through conventional means.
 
In simpler terms, DT’s point regarding lightning is wholly irrelevant to your argument regarding power null.
It's wholly irrelevant to the conclusion, for both the atomic bonds and Power Nullification points.

I'm not certain I follow as to how destroying matter/energy is being linked to Power Nullification here.

To me there is a difference between destroying a technique and negating a technique. Unlike say Obito's Truth-Seeking Orbs, Onoki's Particle Style doesn't nullify Ninjutsu, it just can't be defended against through conventional means.
Can you explain the substantial difference between destroying root materials, such as the remaining matter or energy of a deconstructed object, through an esoteric effect that is distinct from decomposition vs Truth Seeking Orbs, which destroy Ninjutsu, an attack composed of both matter and energy, through an esoteric effect, Existence Erasure, that is distinct from its ability to decompose objects. How exactly are these two situations different from each other in a meaningful manner. I don't see the separation here, truthfully.

Honestly, it seems like you're nitpicking the distinction between destruction and nullification without explaining why the difference matters.
 
I'm somewhat neutral on the power nullification, but reworking the explanation is fine by me.
 
Now with three different mods agreeing wholeheartedly with the proposed revision, and another agreeing with the new justification for Particle Style' Deconstruction. I believe I have enough votes to apply the changes. I've given my opponents more than enough time to respond to my refutations, but they clearly aren't interested in responding to them, so I won't grant them such grace of time any longer when not lawfully obligated.

I thank everyone for commenting their opinions on this thread, and have a blessed day.
 
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