Part 1 Naruto AP Revisions

[BlackeJan]

'''bangs head'''

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

bangs head

Toughen up soldier! Part 1 is the easy part. Wait till we get to Boruto's dad Shippude lol

 

[AstralKing7]

Well at least we are making progress

 

[Kidkinsey]

tbh i do think that kn0> red chakra mode

he appears to be stronger becuase of his rage

 

[Omimi]

^ agree

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

tbh i do think that kn0> red chakra mode

he appears to be stronger becuase of his rage

There is no evidence of this. Naruto was able to access the Nine Tails chakra after his training wkth Jiraiya. We can also see viable chakra oozing out like he did against Haku. He wasn't angry when he preformed the feat against Orochimarus snake. Now that he can better control his chakra, it would make more sense that it would be stronger.

 

[Aernasilver]

Never? We should never be doing that.

> His power should be comparable to his durability

> His suits power should be comparable to its own durability

> Should be comparable to his durability

> Should be comparable to his own durability

> Should be comparable to her own durability

Among others. So IDK about that, Damage.

Edit: So unless you're planing to create a thread regarding this, it can be used for justification.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Well that makes thing much easier.

 

[Damage3245]

@Aernasilver; thank you for bringing those to my attention. I shall create a thread, either to tackle all of them at once, or to handle each of them individually.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

There is like dozens if not hundreds of characters scaled like that. where is the crt that decided they can't?

 

[Aernasilver]

No problem. There is a lot more so it would be best to tackle the issue of scaling Dura to AP.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

I believe the Chuunin exam keys would stay the same, we just need to update the calc they scale to.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Those indeed need to be tackled. If there is no proper justification for the AP to scale to the durability, it should. There could be justification like him hurting someone that tanked or produced that, but the profile doesn't mention that at all and that's a failing.

Though some of those do have justification. Tony's outright two more besides. That's the least that is needed.

 

[Damage3245]

@LSirLancelotDuLacl; indeed. This is Basic Scaling 101. If you don't actually have a reason to scale someone to a certain value, then you don't say "Well, they should be".

If there are indeed dozens or hundreds of profiles that are affected by this, then I will make creating a CRT for this top priority and probably have it get notified to staff.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

There is no evidence of this. Naruto was able to access the Nine Tails chakra after his training wkth Jiraiya. We can also see viable chakra oozing out like he did against Haku. He wasn't angry when he preformed the feat against Orochimarus snake. Now that he can better control his chakra, it would make more sense that it would be stronger.

Completely agreed with this.

His physical characteristics changing=/=More power being drawn out. This would need examples or acceptable logic pointing it out to be the case.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Should we give Lee a separate key with each of his Gates?

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

No. He uses a couple in specific the most, and the change isn't so poignant with each gate that it'd merit a key for each one.

 

[Aernasilver]

Why not just do it like what we do with Ichigo. "'Tier' with 7th gate" etc. Unless they don't change tiers just say "'Higher'" with gates.

Edit: Just saw that it was already done on his profile. Smh.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

The first gate gives a 5x boost, and each gate is stronger than the next. I believe there was also a statement for the lotus giving dozens of times boost.

 

[Damage3245]

Each Gate obviously makes the user stronger than the previous one, but that doesn't mean that each Gate grants the same level of power or speed.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Each Gate obviously makes the user stronger than the previous one, but that doesn't mean that each Gate grants the same level of power or speed.

Its reasonable ti assume that each gate above the first gate would give an at least 5x boost for being superior to the first gate.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Wouldn't a key for each gate just bloat the profile since there isn't much difference in a quantifiable form?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Each Gate obviously makes the user stronger than the previous one, but that doesn't mean that each Gate grants the same level of power or speed.

Well if you analyze how big of a boost the 7th and 8th Gates give, it's very likely that each consecutive Gate grants a bigger power boost, or if you want to go with a lowball then at least as much as the first Gate.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

If the difference was so massive, Gaara surviving when First Gate could already deal damage and crack his skin shield makes little sense.

He didn't nail the final blow, but that's still dozens of blows from someone dozens of times stronger than a form that could already hurt him.

... Or Gaara surviving is an outlier and Lee can scale to the dozens of times statement. Simply putting Higher with gates or sticking to any solid values seems better to me, though.

 

[Damage3245]

Its reasonable ti assume that each gate above the first gate would give an at least 5x boost for being superior to the first gate.

I don't see how. The first Gate was only allowed a 5x multiplier because it unlocked the full usage of the user's brain rising from 20% to 100%.

The same logic cannot be applied to every Gate.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

If the difference was so massive, Gaara surviving when First Gate could already deal damage and crack his skin shield makes little sense.

He didn't nail the final blow, but that's still dozens of blows from someone dozens of times stronger than a form that could already hurt him.

... Or Gaara surviving is an outlier and Lee can scale to the dozens of times statement. Simply putting Higher with gates or sticking to any solid values seems better to me, though.

Gaaras sand armor was being peeled away, the only reason he survived is because his gourd took the impact of the attack. Its even stated the goured was used to protect himself.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

And successive Gate multipliers being below the first Gate seems questionable to me Given the 7th and 8th provide insane power boosts(especially the 8th ofc)

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

So the gourd is dozens of times above him in durability?

When was it said the gourd took the impact?

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

I don't see how. The first Gate was only allowed a 5x multiplier because it unlocked the full usage of the user's brain rising from 20% to 100%.

The same logic cannot be applied to every Gate.

I suggest you reread chapters 85 and 86.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

So the gourd is dozens of times above him in durability?

When was it said the gourd took the impact?

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Oooh, that.

But, wait... He says this after the rubble clears and we can see the sand kinda wrapping him from below. Right before that, you see him slugging Gaara around and the Gourd is still perfectly still.

Sounds to me like he used it to protect as he fell down on the last attack. You even start to see the Gourd turn into sand and both Kakashi and Guy react to it after Lee does his last attack.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

His sand armor and his gourd protect him from Lee's assault.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

But again, his Sand Armor got cracked when he was hit by Lee before this.

Going from "cracking somewhat" to "cracked a lot" is not what happens when the base AP could clrack it and the AP after gates should be dozens of times stronger.

And his gourd only protected him from the impact with the ground. The Gourd does nothing until after Lee finishes the Hidden Lotus and Gaara gets blasted to the ground. Guy and Kakashi even notice and mention this AFTER the last blow.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Yeah, the gourd protects him from the impact with the ground, while his sand armor protects him from the impact to his body. The more chakra to put into the armor, the stronger it becomes and the more armor he can produce.

 

[AstralKing7]

I remember it depends on how much chakra

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Where is it mentioned that the more chakra, the more it defends? All I remember is that it takes a ton of chakra since it is not automatic, so it is bad for Gaara if he actually has to use it.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Has anyone ever calc'd Temari blowing away a portion of a forest?

 

[CaptainSparkz]

No one has done it yet, it could possibly get good results

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Oh yeah, that's a thing too. I barely remembered.

 

[CaptainSparkz]

Does anyone have a scan of that happening?