Overlord General Discussion Mk.III

[Apeironaxim]

I'm not sure, but most seem to think the lightning speed and light speed statements are hyperbole

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Fair enough. I'll see what else I can find.

 

[Apeironaxim]

Brain has a statement of cutting you so fast there isn't blood on his blade iirc

And this:

If one were to liken its speed to something: a bolt of lightning. By the time the flash registered, the head was falling - that's how fast he was.

 

[FDrybob]

Unfortunately for our purposes in VSbattles wiki, the writing style of Overlord is designed to maximize worldbuilding and character interactions, but it has to leave out details that are unnecessary for those purposes (such as a lof of characters' movesets and powers).

Also, I found this compilation of character levels (Some of them are incorrect as they're based of difficulty), but perhaps it might be worth looking it over for placing characters in tiers.

This list seems pretty old judging by the lack of information from the more recent novels, such as the fact that the lastborn of the Pleiades is named Aureole Omega, and that she's also the Area Guardian of the cherry blossom sanctuary. Still, it's a fairly impressive list.

 

[Apeironaxim]

I'm not sure how much we need to accept statements but here's one about Shalltear catching Brain's strike

Shalltear had caught it - his strike that was as fast as a bolt of lightning.

I'm neutral regarding the lightning/light speed statements

Although you could also try and say it's from Brain's perspective, who was very overconfident at this time

 

[Apeironaxim]

Unfortunately for us, the writing style of Overlord is designed to maximize worldbuilding and character interactions, but it has to leave out details that are unnecessary for those purposes (such as a lof of characters' movesets and powers).

I got into Overlord for its character interactions, so I'm fine with that tbh

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

" Gigant Basilisk…" Climb groaned. With characteristics of both a lizard and a snake, the Gigant Basilisk was a giant monster measuring ten meters. It possessed a petrifying gaze with deadly poison coursing through its veins. What was worse was that its thick skin was as hard as mithril. It was truly a terrifying existence. If they were really able to defeat a monster that could destroy a small town, then it would not have been strange for them to rise to adamantium.
	~ Volume 5 - Chapter 2​

No timeframe being given oofs this feat out of validity, although I guess it's good support for 8-C Adamantium-rank adventurers/Heroes?

 

[Apeironaxim]

My version says "a monster capable of devastating an entire city" but I'm pretty sure it means overtime

 

[FDrybob]

" Gigant Basilisk…" Climb groaned. With characteristics of both a lizard and a snake, the Gigant Basilisk was a giant monster measuring ten meters. It possessed a petrifying gaze with deadly poison coursing through its veins. What was worse was that its thick skin was as hard as mithril. It was truly a terrifying existence. If they were really able to defeat a monster that could destroy a small town, then it would not have been strange for them to rise to adamantium.
	~ Volume 5 - Chapter 2​

No timeframe being given oofs this feat out of validity, although I guess it's good support for 8-C Adamantium-rank adventurers/Heroes?

Yeah, I don't think a Basilisk would possess a skill capable of destroying an entire town. It would probably just destroy the buildings one by one and force everyone to evacuate.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Makes sense. Is it alright for me to quote as support for the 8-C ratings, though?

 

[Apeironaxim]

Guessing there's no way to guess at Brain's speed feats, assuming we don't take the lightning statements?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I mean, you could try finding the speed something would need to move for water/blood to not have enough time to adhere to it.

 

[Apeironaxim]

Suddenly Zaryusu and Shasuryu got down on their knees and plunged their heads into the muddy marsh. They couldn't help but think it was the right thing to do.

Frigid, muddy water clung to their bodies, and the broken ice refroze.

I may be interpreting it wrong, but this doesn't sound like the entire lake was frozen, just the surface

 

[FDrybob]

If only the surface was frozen, they wouldn't have been able to rest their heads on the ice when they broke through it. They would've plunged their heads into the water underneath. Keep in mind that they weren't very close to the bank of the lake.

 

[Apeironaxim]

Sorry, guess I misinterpreted it. I don't have a good mental vision of the lizardman area in the book for some reason

 

[Apeironaxim]

Also FDrybob, how do you think we should handle the Skeletal Dragon's magic resistance, since the strength of magic has been shown and told to vary based on who casts it?

I think we've already decided its regular attack potency and durability should be "Likely 8-C"

 

[FDrybob]

Physically, they are below adventurers like Brain and Gazef, so I think they should be "At least 9-A, possibly 8-C". Their magic resistance is pierced by 7th tier magic and above, so their magic resistance should be around city level. Even though the strength of a spell varies based on the caster, there is still a minimum amount of proficiency required to get to each tier. Skeletal Dragons aren't as powerful as one would expect since they aren't actually dragons; they're just a mass of humanoid bones in the shape of a dragon.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Suddenly Zaryusu and Shasuryu got down on their knees and plunged their heads into the muddy marsh. They couldn't help but think it was the right thing to do.
Frigid, muddy water clung to their bodies, and the broken ice refroze.

>pointed this out in the anime

>gets told "it was frozen solid in the LN"

>it wasn't frozen solid in the LN

 

[AnonymousBlank]

............ time for a downgrade then?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I already pointed out why it was frozen solid in both.

"plunged their heads into the muddy marsh."

"Frigid, muddy water"

Sounds like they stuck their heads in water, not rested them on ice.

This also closely matches the visuals of the anime, where the water wasn't A) Frozen over completely and B) Was shallow as heck

 

[FDrybob]

But I just explained why it really was frozen solid. Look at my reply to his post. They wouldn't be able to rest their heads on it with all that pressure if only the surface was frozen. They are in the middle of the lake, so the water would be pretty deep. If they broke through a layer of ice, they would just be submerged in water, which they weren't. There was clearly another solid surface underneath.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEV-eHf3UxU

Skip to 4:53. Even though they broke the ice, they are still pressed against a solid surface. You can see that they are still exerting pressure on it.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

But I just explained why it really was frozen solid. Look at my reply to his post. They wouldn't be able to rest their heads on it with all that pressure if only the surface was frozen.

Where did it say they "rested their heads" on anything?

Their heads broke through the surface of the ice.

Surface ice can also just be thick enough to support a person's weight.

 

[FDrybob]

If you look at the video, you can see that they are still exerting pressure even after their heads break through, yet their heads don't just plunge into the water.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

If you look at the video, you can see that they are still exerting pressure even after their heads break through, yet their heads don't just plunge into the water.

In the same video, Gargantua throws a cubic rock that breaks through said ice, makes a hole in said ice, where water is clearly visible underneath said ice, making a wave of liquid water, which was under the ice.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Downgrade time then?

 

[FDrybob]

Well, guess I can't argue with that.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

That same video also show in the top down view that water where Shasuryu and Zaryusu slammed their heads.

 

[Apeironaxim]

Along with a roar like heavy rain -- the kicked-up dirt falling back to the ground...

Here's the description of the boulder's impact

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Yeah, downgrade time.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Anyone expecting it to hit 7-B like that Fallen Down calc?

 

[Apeironaxim]

Here's a shot of the marsh
Unfortunately not all of it is in frame

I'm guessing we can use the size of the boulder in the Lifting Strength calc to determine it's size?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Do we have quotes of the size of it in the VN?

Otherwise we would need to use the anime for visual reference.

 

[Apeironaxim]

North of the forest was a huge lake. This body of water was shaped like an inverted calabash, split into an upper and lower lake, with a diameter of about 24 miles...

Where the lower lake merged with wetlands to the south, numerous buildings stood in the everglade.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

And do we have confirmation that the whole lake, upper and lower, was frozen over?

 

[Apeironaxim]

Certainly the entire lake couldn't be frozen, but it was a fact that as far as his eyes could see, everything was covered in ice.

 

[Apeironaxim]

Does the speed at which it was frozen matter?

Cause then we can use the anime, since there isn't a time frame in the LN

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Certainly the entire lake couldn't be froze, but it was a fact that as far as his eyes could see, everything was covered in ice.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Thing is the human eye can only see 5 km (assuming no obstructions), which is far less than 24 miles

 

[FDrybob]

They're lizardmen though, so we don't know how good their eyesight is.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

They're lizardmen though, so we don't know how good their eyesight is.

If we don't know that they have good or bad eyesight the baseline assumption is that they have regular human eyesight until proven otherwise.

The fact that they couldn't say for sure if it was entirely frozen proves that they can't see the whole lake right off the bat.

 

[Apeironaxim]

The sky was a single clear shade of blue, and the sun shone brillaintly near its zenith.

Because lizardmen had such a wide field of vision, he - Zaryusu Shasha - could see the blinding sun without moving his head.