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Overlord: Environmental Destruction

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No. OpMasada, they very clearly stated that it could DESTROY a city. Not that an entire city is no match against it. A damned Death Knight is enough to almost solo a city, let alone Dominion Authority.

Saying that "A city is no match for it" when the statement is that it could "DESTROY a city" is literally downplay and the worst way you could ever interpret that statement.
 
Yobobojojo said:
That's not what I said. I explicitly said that Soul Eaters and Death Knights do not destroy cities, and are a example of the author explicitly seperating out destruction and feats like the ones you mentioned.
I'll see if I can get the quotes
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You didn't "explicitly said" anything like that.

I'll wait, I think it was around vol 5.
 
I think evileye stated tha she had some sort of trump card that chould destroy a city but she didnt give many details.The dragon that ainz one-shoted in volume 11 destroyed a city while fighting another dragon


And finally, Feoh Tiwaz, to the west.This western city had been destroyed during a battle between two Frost Dragons — Olasird'arc=Haylilyal and Munuinia=Ilyslym, and it was little more than tumbled ruins.


This honestly seems much better than a few vague statements.
 
Akreious said:
No. OpMasada, they very clearly stated that it could DESTROY a city. Not that an entire city is no match against it. A damned Death Knight is enough to almost solo a city, let alone Dominion Authority.
Saying that "A city is no match for it" when the statement is that it could "DESTROY a city" is literally downplay and the worst way you could ever interpret that statement.
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It is not encouraged in this wiki to take statements as vague as that with little evidence to back it so literally, just as we don't immedietely assume someone saying they will destroy the world to mean they are planetary level.
 
Except in this case, there is a express difference specified between the feats and the over time destruction
 
"The magic sealed within the crystal could summon the most powerful angel known to man. It was an angel that had single-handedly destroyed a Demon God that rampaged throughout the land two hundred years ago.

It was an angel of the highest order, that could easily destroy a city.

Casting the spell to summon that angel again required an incalculable amount of money and manpower, but Ainz Ooal Gown, this mysterious being, was worthy of being eliminated by its power. More importantly, it would be worse if the crystal was taken without the spell being cast."

Here's a translation. There's no ifs or buts about it, it's flat out "Destroy a city". Unless you're saying any planet destroying statements is "Enough strength that a planet wouldn't stand a chance".

Edit: The hell is vague about this statement? it's literally "It can destroy a city". We know it has multiple attacks, why the hell are you focusing on one (It's strongest one) when it's very clearly a single-target spell that's not meant for widespread destruction? We know one spell out of it's arsenal of spells.

Also World is am ambiguous word. It can mean planet, some verses the word "World" means the universe. Some "worlds" could be as small as a moon. But we KNOW what "City" means.
 
No.. There was a city destruction statement in a verse I am very active on, and any ideas of upgrading it due to the statement were slapped down because it could be simply a small town, could be overtime, etc.
 
Far more important than what is the classification we are changing in Ainz Ooal Gown is the classification we are changing him towards. What are Ainz Ooal Gown's supporting feats and lower energy feats?

Besides, I must call attention to the fact the Overlord verse is receiving far too little attention and should have been nerfed in other aspects, too. The fodder "8-A" feat is completely exaggerated and has already been recalced by members of this site, as well as received far lower ends in the original wiki.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
No.. There was a city destruction statement in a verse I am very active on, and any ideas of upgrading it due to the statement were slapped down because it could be simply a small town, could be overtime, etc.
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Except we've explicitly explained here why it isn't?
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
No.. There was a city destruction statement in a verse I am very active on, and any ideas of upgrading it due to the statement were slapped down because it could be simply a small town, could be overtime, etc.
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So we're playing this game huh?

I'll bite.

It simply being a town will not fly. In the Overlord verse, the characters very clearly draw the line of City, Town and Village. A village is something like Carn Village (Which can constitute as a small town at it's peak, with it's goblin army and such). A Town is something like where Ainz first became and Adventurer and a City is something like the Capital of E-Rantel (One of the smaller Capitals due to being one of the weaker countries).

So no, it simply cannot be a small town because the characters in the verse already know the differences of a town, a village, and a city is.

Saying that it's overtime is honestly very weak. Occam's Razor (Yes, this guy again) says that we take the simplest answer. Dominion Authority is able to destroy a city in one attack. Unless you're saying that it can "EASILY" destroy a city bit by bit? Even though it wouldn't be "easy" since you'd need to put effort into putting out energy into destroying chunks of the city? How can you "easily" destroy chunks of something?

It's like saying I can "easily" destroy a cake but then use a knife and aim at it's "Vital" points, slicing it for 30 minutes until it's mush, then it isn't "easy" is it? Rather than just using that thing as a football and smacking the thing.

It also makes sense with Evileye's statements that she could destroy a city at max power.
 
The problem with your argument comes back to the most important rule in this wiki, burden of proof. Nitpick; taking a while to destroy a city doesn't mean it's not easy, it will take a while for me to collapse several stacks of a dozen boxes but that doesn't mean it's not easy.

Same with Evileye statements, do you have enough evidence to back up the claim she doesn't do it overtime?
 
I don't get the rules of this wiki.

It's literally designed to be the most downplayest of downplays whenever a statement comes up.

Character : "This Particle Accelerator can blow up several city blocks if it goes haywire!"

Us: "They never said in one blow, so it must be overtime!"

In my opinion, the burden of proof should be on your guys to prove that it's overtime as it makes EVERYTHING needlessly more complicated. If it's overtime, what's the timeframe? Do you have the ability to determine the exact AP of each attack then? How big were the explosions? In what method was the deed done?

We have two statements from two smart characters (Yes the Sunlight Scripture person IS smart, being a scholar and all) that a thing is City Destroying. Not overtime, not a small town, a city. It's flat "Can destroy a city easily". Nowhere does it ever state "Overtime" or "In parts". It should be everyone else to prove that it's overtime or in chunks as that'd be injecting information we DO NOT KNOW into a statement that we DO know to be true.

"Nitpick; taking a while to destroy a city doesn't mean it's not easy, it will take a while for me to collapse several stacks of a dozen boxes but that doesn't mean it's not easy."

Ahh no. Problem with that analogy is that if it takes you awhile for you to collapse several stack of a dozen boxes, then I'ma be honest, you're sort of weak. Boxes, at least cardboard boxes, naturally fall apart when subjected to a weight anywhere comparable to a human body's.

Also a normal human, if destroying truly a dozen boxes (so 12+) then they'd be tired. If they're tired, it isn't easy.
 
When I said "take a while to collapse several stacks of boxes" I meant to knock all of the stacks down.
 
From my knowledge of other threads dealing with the strength of characters based on statements, it boils down to possible timeframe taken to destroy something, size of whatever they destroyed, supporting evidence for their assumed strength, and scaling. Some of this is possibly wrong or subjective, there's possibly more that i'm not aware of, but this is based on other threads i've seen tackling this subject. (I've already forgotten those threads so don't ask for any links please.)
 
Are there any staff members listed in the Knowledgeable Members List or the Overlord verse page that you can ask to comment here?

If not, you could pick a few in the VS Battles Staff page. There are quite a lot of us after all. Just avoid Azathoth, Ryukama, DarkLK, DontTalkDT, and Matthew, as they are either asked a lot or specialised in specific areas.
 
I dont get why you people are arguing about dominion authority's ap when there is a much better city level statement in volume 11.

And finally, Feoh Tiwaz, to the west.This western city had been destroyed during a battle between two Frost Dragons — Olasird'arc=Haylilyal and Munuinia=Ilyslym, and it was little more than tumbled ruins.

There is nothing vague about this at all and it eiven talks about the state of the city after its destruction.
 
Ok i'll alter ainz's profile in accordance to it and show a pic to see if you guys agree with it.
 
This is the change i want to put, is it ok? Btw another calc was mentioned in this thread which looks more accurate (Idk how we didn't realize the other calc didn't mention it was two attacks) that might turn the "Multi-City Block level" into "Building level"
 
Bambu said he accepted the calc being Small Building+ level. I'll start changing the profiles in an hour, just in case anybody got any more input.
 
Yes i think the plaiades should be 8-C sense all of them are vastly stronger than that level 22 lich also their speed should be changed to hypersonic sense some of them like yuri alpha and solution are faster than ainz in his normal form.
 
TheOneBelowAll123 said:
Yes i think the plaiades should be 8-C sense all of them are vastly stronger than that level 22 lich also their speed should be changed to hypersonic sense some of them like yuri alpha and solution are faster than ainz in his normal form.
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Eh I can support that. Considering it took 4 adamantite adventurers to fight one of them.
 
There is also another problem.In shalltears profile it mentions that she created a vacuum with a kick but the one who actualy performed the feat was was ainz against a groop of workers.

'Hekkeran rolled away in a panic. Without Roberdyck's support, it would have been impossible. The vacuum in the kick's passing sliced off several of his hairs, and a chill raced up and dow
his spine.'

Of course her speed will stay the same but that feat should be mentioned in ainz's profile not shalltear's.
 
One final thing.In volume 4 a lizardman named zanberu swings his helbert fast enough to create what seems like a sonic boom.

'Moments later, the moment when Zaryusu closed in— Something flashed with a loud bang before the eyes of Zaryusu as he lept to the side. That was the sound made by Zenberu's halberd.'

Brain should scale to that.
 
If the calculation has been accepted by the calc group, it should obviously be fine to use.
 
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