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Our rules regarding composite profiles (Staff only)

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They kind of are. But don't lie, those have a lot more solid plots.

The setting isn't prone to unexplained changes. They won't go from Texas to new York as a setting in-between episodes for a jokes sake without some logic, even if flimsy, behind it.

Sponge Bob has set characters with set jobs, they have recurring themes and jokes, etc.

Everything you mentioned has at least a basic layout of set logic. Spingebob and co. live in bikini's bottom doing their jobs, gumball and co. go through character development, my little pony is character development, and Fairy odd parents also has plenty of development.

Simpsons and Family Guy have a basic layout they stick to, too.

Uncle Grandpa is shit posting. In quality if not in intent.
 
I more think about it, sandbox game is kinda composite profile because you can do anything, over 1000000000000000000 world in Minecraft
 
So is somebody/are somebodies willing to try to help get this revision organised?
 
I reckon this'll be fine to apply,

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Alternate Canons
Summary

Cano is a term used to designate works that are generally accepted as the genuine work that apply to the fictional verse. With few possible exceptions only canon material is featured in the character pages, with non-canon material to be ignored.

The generally agreed-upon definition is that the work by the original author and creator of the fictional setting is canonical, unless the author or the copyright holder declares otherwise. Few other exceptions are also possible and should be noted on the verse page.

The primary canon is the source material first released (with few possible exceptions), with the other author works being secondary canon.

When different source materials give different versions of the same feat, and by that they contradict each other in the depiction of the feat, the primary canon takes precedence over the secondary canon.

If the feat is correctly depicted over multiple canons any of these can be used to judge the feat. Should different results be reached by judging the feat through multiple canons, the result of the primary canon will have priority.

So for most manga series, that means the original manga is canonical, while the anime is not (since the anime is simply an adaptation of the manga made by others). Databooks are considered secondary canon since scans tend to contradict them. It should be noted that this is often evaluated on a case - by - case basis.

In addition a tertiary canon will be allowed. The tertiary canon consists of official adaptations not overseen by the author, which do not modify or contradict source material. When other source materials give different versions of the same feat, and by that contradict the tertiary canon in the depiction of the feat, the others take precedence. And here as well, if the feat is correctly depicted over multiple canons any of these can be used to judge the feat. Should by judging the feat through primary or secondary canon a different result be reached than for tertiary canon the result of primary or secondary canon will have priority.

  • Entirely new feats of tertiary canon, like for example new abilities, should be disregarded. Details added to existing fight scenes, such as damage caused to the surroundings, can be accepted for text based media like books.
  • Any changes based on tertiary canon will only be accepted if they are not contradicted by any instances of another canon, with regards to either the character power-scale, or logical inconsistencies (and plot holes).
  • All of the rules that are written in the Cinematic Time page still apply when it comes to evaluation of such tertiary canon feats.
Alternative Cano
Certain franchises, and/or characters, due to their long running statuses and great popularity, often coupled with dozens if not hundreds of writers over the decades, find themselves containing numerous versions of their characters considered "canonical", most of which display vastly different levels of power.

The most extreme examples of this are Marvel Comics and DC Comics, that not only contain hundreds of comicbook versions of their characters, due to their multiverses, but also have numerous adaptations in movies, live-action television series, animation, and video games.

Certain anime & manga franchises also run into similar problems. For instance, Dragon Ball possesses numerous alternative continuity games, and non-canon movies. Other large scale franchises often run into similar problems, containing numerous non-canonical spin-offs and alternate continuities.

However, problem can arise from this: If one were to allow all alternate and/or non-canon versions of said characters, we would eventually be crowded with dozens of alternate profiles for the same characters, as well as composite profiles that cross-scale across multiple continuities and inflate the number of pages even more.

As such, certain limitations must be placed:

1) Certain franchises feature several characters that are considered as equally valid "official" versions of the character. These types of profiles can generally be created without any problems.

Ex: The Golden Age, Silver Age, and Post-Crisis versions of Superman, and the different incarnations of Link from The Legend of Zelda.

2) Alternative Canon/Non-Canonical profiles for Marvel and DC Comics can only be created if the version in question proves relevant/notable enough, through popularity and/or number of issues present.

Ex: Superman from the Kingdom Come storyline, and All-Star Superman are relevant enough to warrant profiles, and have displayed enough feats and information for reasonably accurate statistics. Meanwhile, characters from Marvel's alternative "What If?" timelines are generally far too limited in relevance, appearances, and feats to be featured.

3) Should said alternative versions originate within the main continuity, they would also be considered primary canon, and allowed, if notable enough.

Ex: Thought Robot/Cosmic Armor Superman, the DC One Million characters, and the Earth-3 Crime Syndicate of America all originate within mainstream comics, and feature interactions with the primary DC Characters. Similarly, the Marvel Ultimate Universe was a prominent comicbook line for a considerable time, and the two continuities have recently merged into one, so profiles from said verse are also allowed, as long as proper feats and scaling can be found for the statistics.

4) Franchises which contain non-canonical spin-offs/movies/videogames, et cetera, each with their own continuities and feats, yet not to the extent that Marvel and DC Comics do, should only be allowed profiles for notable original characters from said spin-offs, and not alternate versions of canonical characters, unless they are very prominent and notable.

Ex: Main villains from non-canonical movies of Dragon Ball, Sailor Moo, One Piece and the like can be allowed profiles, yet most versions of Son Goku contained in games such as Shin Budokai should not, as the only difference they hold from Canon Goku lies in their extent of power. However, given the prominence and popularity of Dragon Ball GT, alternative versions of Goku and Vegeta from this continuity have been allowed. If the alternate non-canonical version of a character is notable enough in the sense of having their own feats, and a different role and purpose, then it is possible that profiles for them can be created.

5) Certain franchises also contain a variety of spin-offs and alternate continuities, yet justify their existence due to in-series Multiverses. In such cases, Rule Number 3 still applies, albeit to a lesser scale. Original characters from said works are all allowed, yet alternate versions of original canon characters should not be abused.

Ex: Both the Puella Magi Madoka Magica and the Saint Seiya Franchises explain all of their Spin-Off mangas as alternate timelines, and profiles for characters originating from said works are allowed.

To summarize:

The key issue overall is notability/relevance. If a spin-off version of a character is very popular, prominent, and distinctive from the original, with a sufficient number of feats or descriptions to scale from, it can generally be featured.

However, if it is obscure, does not have enough of a distinctive story to even qualify as a separate character (such as if it originates within a fighting game), and very limited information to scale the statistics from, it should likely not be featured.


See also
Crossovers
 
It mostly seems fine, but this text segment is left unfinished at the end:

"Canon is a term used to designate works that are generally accepted as the genuine work that apply to the fictional verse. With few possible exceptions only canon material is featured in the character pages, with non-canon material to"

In addition, this part is worded in such a manner that a character that simply has a sufficient power difference seems to be allowed:

"Alternative Canon/Non-Canonical profiles for Marvel and DC Comics can only be created if the version in question proves relevant/notable enough, either through popularity, number of issues present or an immense power discrepancy."

It should probably be reworded to:

"Alternative Canon/Non-Canonical profiles for Marvel and DC Comics can only be created if the version in question proves relevant/notable enough, through popularity and/or number of issues present."

Also, we do actually feature a profile for Xenoverse Goku, so that is a bad example to use. It should probably be removed.
 
That could work, yes.

Also, somebody should preferably ask all of our content moderators to take a look at this thread, to help out with applying the results after we have proceeded further.
 
Thank you. You forgot to remove "either" though, so I did so.
 
Antvasima said:
Also, somebody should preferably ask all of our content moderators to take a look at this thread, to help out with applying the results after we have proceeded further.
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This would still need to be done.
 
Done!

The next step will be to add an editing rule against Composite Profiles. Somewhere along the lines of:

  • Making of Composite Profiles is disallowed as they contain highly inflated statistics gathered from questionable sources, and do not comply with other rules of the wiki.
After this the page should be verified and then the Alternative Canon and Composite Profiles should be deleted.
 
"Do not create composite profiles, as they contain highly inflated statistics, potentially gathered from questionable sources, and do not comply with other rules of the wiki."
 
Yaaay now we can actually start removing profiles since we have an actual basis to do so
 
You need help from the content moderators, and should ask them to help out.

Should we start another thread for discussing which pages that need to be removed, and updating all of the pages that link to them, or continue here?
 
I personally think that a new thread seems better.
 
Is somebody willing to start a new thread with a good explanation in the beginning?
 
Thank you, but the thread should preferably have a more easily understood name and an explanation in the beginning.
 
Jesus, I nearly forgot about this thread

Perhaps the content could be moved to blogs
 
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