Orochimaru Vs. Dragon Ball Verse

[Dragomer]

That's actually not true at all. Orochimaru is well-versed in genetics and robotics--in the anime canon, he's even responsible for building Mecha-Naruto and his Power Rangers-style Kurama mech. In Boruto, he's capable of building complex ninja tech that easily outclasses Katasuke, who can build ******* full on ninja cyborgs.
Given Gero's research (including Cell), and everyone in Z and Super's current DNA, plus his own verse, how would he not easily become a Low 2-C threat? He'd create a genetic monstrosity with DNA from people like the First Hokage, the Second Tsuchikage, current Goku and Vegeta, Broly, etc. He'd have Kamui, Kotoamatsukami, all the Rinnegan abilities, the works.

Isn't Mecha Naruto litteraly a freaking wood robot ? also it was filler.

Ninja tech yes but not robotics, that's not really the same.

Having someone's ressearch doesn't mean you can do the same, unless he also get Gero's supercomputer and labs and even then it's iffy if he could do as good, let alone do much better.

Also Gero wasn't able to make himself a low 2-C threats, so why would Orochimaru be able to do it from his ressearch, ? hell Gero even had DNA from bad guys like Freezer in addition to the main characters so Orochimaru would do better than Gero with less for some reason ?

Once again, he had his universe god tier's DNA and didn't become god tier himself, hell, Kabuto did a better job at that than him.

Also having them from super would just change how easily it is to go SSJ for whatever is made with it.

So yeah, once again, no evidence that make him even a threat for a Freezer soldier, let alone Goku or freaking Zen'oh.

Litteraly none of those ability are really such game changers.

 

[Dziga]

Tier 2 Orochimaru via preparation when?

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

Gero didn't have access to Tier 3 and 2 DNA like Hit, Jiren, and Broly, for starters.

The only reason that Kabuto "did it better" was because he literally absorbed a ton of Orochimaru's chakra, and simply finished the experiments that Orochimaru already had planned. If Orochimaru had taken over Sasuke like he planned, things would have gone a lot differently.

 

[Dragomer]

Gero didn't have access to Tier 3 and 2 DNA like Hit, Jiren, and Broly, for starters.
The only reason that Kabuto "did it better" was because he literally absorbed a ton of Orochimaru's chakra, and simply finished the experiments that Orochimaru already had planned. If Orochimaru had taken over Sasuke like he planned, things would have gone a lot differently.

Litteraly none of them are strong because of their DNA, at best it would give access to Broly's (hypothetical) mutation and Hit's longevity, that's litteraly all, DNA give you the ability but not the strenght. and once again, Orochimaru had access to his vers's god tier and never managed to do God tier stuff with it while Gero was able to make his creation (Cell) absurdly superior to all the people he used the DNA of to creat Cell in the first place, so if anything, we should assume he would do worst than Gero.

Orochimaru would have never taken over Sasuke since Sasuke just straight overpowered and killed him, if that's the standard for Orochimaru, he'd die from his first experiment way before the fight even started, Kabuto was smart enough to complet his plot without having his test subject kill him.

Also Gero's ressearch litteraly conclude with Absorbing type Cybrog being held as superior to infinite energy type Cyborg, something that turned out to be a complet miscalculation, same for C16, so if Orochimaru actualy follow said ressearch, he'll actualy limite greatly the potential of the tech he uses and if he ignore that part and just go with what he feel like, nothing say he'd do any progress.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Gero didn't have access to Tier 3 and 2 DNA like Hit, Jiren, and Broly, for starters.

That's not how DNA works lol. You could give Orochimaru Goku's DNA from when he was just born and it wouldn't be any different from his DNA after the Tournament of Power.

 

[Callsign_Castle]

Who revived this god-awful thread.

 

[DanielX7]

Gero didn't have access to Tier 3 and 2 DNA like Hit, Jiren, and Broly, for starters.

That's not how DNA works lol. You could give Orochimaru Goku's DNA from when he was just born and it wouldn't be any different from his DNA after the Tournament of Power.

One word: Epigenetics.

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

This is an ancient, terrible thread that I'd forgotten about, but epigenetics still wouldn't cover that.

DragonEmperor23 makes a good point in that that yes, genetics does not work that way--in real life.

But, it literally does work like that in Dragon Ball. It's why Goten unlocked Super Saiyan years before Gohan, and fairly easily--Goku was stronger at the point of Goten's conception than he'd been when he was little more than a teenager banging ChiChi. Same for stuff like Cell--Cell as we know him came from Trunks' future, or an alternate version of it. Imperfect Cell's Kamehameha and Makkankozappo were only so weak compared to Kami-fused Piccolo because Future Goku and Future Piccolo were weaker than their counterparts in the changed timeline at the time of DNA retrieval by Gero.

In a plausible timeline far removed from the current narrative, a revived Gero, or someone like him, could make a new Cell far more powerful than he'd ever been before by taking new, "stronger" DNA from the same main donors--Piccolo, Freeza, Goku, and Vegeta--and create an Imperfect Cell capable of going into Golden/God transformations, and becoming Perfect on top of that via 18 and 17 (I wonder if 17's power increase would make Perfect Cell even stronger than he'd been, too, to boot?)


With that in mind, Orochimaru, given all of Gero's research and tools and the DNA provided, could easily create such a Cell-like body and possess it himself. Throw in a mix of Naruto kekkei genkai/kekkei touta hax and he'd be pretty damn near unbeatable.

 

[Dragomer]

This is an ancient, terrible thread that I'd forgotten about, but epigenetics still wouldn't cover that.
DragonEmperor23 makes a good point in that that yes, genetics does not work that way--in real life.

But, it literally does work like that in Dragon Ball. It's why Goten unlocked Super Saiyan years before Gohan, and fairly easily--Goku was stronger at the point of Goten's conception than he'd been when he was little more than a teenager banging ChiChi. Same for stuff like Cell--Cell as we know him came from Trunks' future, or an alternate version of it. Imperfect Cell's Kamehameha and Makkankozappo were only so weak compared to Kami-fused Piccolo because Future Goku and Future Piccolo were weaker than their counterparts in the changed timeline at the time of DNA retrieval by Gero.

In a plausible timeline far removed from the current narrative, a revived Gero, or someone like him, could make a new Cell far more powerful than he'd ever been before by taking new, "stronger" DNA from the same main donors--Piccolo, Freeza, Goku, and Vegeta--and create an Imperfect Cell capable of going into Golden/God transformations, and becoming Perfect on top of that via 18 and 17 (I wonder if 17's power increase would make Perfect Cell even stronger than he'd been, too, to boot?)


With that in mind, Orochimaru, given all of Gero's research and tools and the DNA provided, could easily create such a Cell-like body and possess it himself. Throw in a mix of Naruto kekkei genkai/kekkei touta hax and he'd be pretty damn near unbeatable.

No, it does not, Goten managed to get SSJ easier than Gohan because Goku had more S-Cells in his body when he was made and S-cells are indeed linked to DNA but they are not linked to strenght, which is why Gohan still has the most potential out of the Son family despite Goten being a tailess type hybrid that is inherently stronger than a tailed type hybrid, DNA only works for abilities, not raw strenght.

Litteraly everything you said about Cell was wrong, his abilities were weaker because he was in his imperfect state, nothing to do with his DNA being from an hypotheticaly weaker Piccolo.

Also all your assumption about Cell being able to go Golden and stuff is absolutly not supported by anything, we have no idea if the Golden form is linked to genetics and given that Freezer specificaly said he choose the form's color, it could perfectly well be like his other forms and just be a form of ki manipulations / technique he made or like his 100% state.

And God form are 100% not linked to DNA, they are purely mystical in nature.

Nothing say Orochimaru could do anything near creating something like Cell even with everything provided, let alone add every kekkai genkai, something he never even came close to in his own franchise and they seriously wouldn't be that much of an addition anyway, hell, he already had trouble with the sharingan.