Original Superman Upgrade

[KLOL506]

Yeah we should.

 

[Hellbeast1]

Looks about right

 

[Jared1111]

Seems fine, i think Post-Crisis/Infinite Crisis OG Superman is slightly weaker than his Pre-Crisis counterpart, as he aged he was stated to get weaker, but he'd still be 2-C from scaling so it probably doesn't matter.

Otherwise, perfect keys.

 

[SuperAPM]

Actually whilst we're at it we might as well try to calc some of his planetary to steller level feats, assuming that's even possible.

Spinosaurus75DinosaurFa

When you have the time see if you can calc any of these *******:

Brings two of Jupiters moons back to earth in moments

Makes a Planet by pushing a planet into the su

Slingshots Mars' moons

Destroys an Earth-sized planet by throwing an asteroid at it

Shoves an Earth-sized planet travelling towards Earth at another planet hard enough both are obliterated

Turns a huge planetoid of Carbon into Diamond with one hit

Creates a Star by smashing two moons together

Blows out a star

His current statistics is just a placeholder at the moment, assuming the big ones can be calced we could give him an actual value for that key

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

First one easily breaks SoL, so 5-C.

Second one 5-B, since it probably breaks SoL too

Third one 5-C

Destroying an Earth-sized planet, so 5-B.

Destroying 2 planets, 5-B.

Idk how to calc that.

Creating a star is 4-C, so baseline 4-C.

4-C...I think?

 

[SuperAPM]

Is there anyway to calc the last one? Its always preferable to have a calc and value attributed to it for a more concrete value.

 

[KLOL506]

Should we have a key for Pre-Crisis Superboy?

 

[SuperAPM]

I guess it would make sense for him to have gotten stronger as he got older, so yes probably.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Is there anyway to calc the last one? Its always preferable to have a calc and value attributed to it for a more concrete value.

Sun's luminosity is 3.842e26 watts, Superman changed it from that to zero, so that's just Multi-Continent level. Huh. Disappointing. Again this only accounts for the change in brightness but not other stuff.

I suppose we'd have to settle with baseline 4-C for the other star feat.

 

[SuperAPM]

Is there anyway to calc the KE of the Sun's mass being blown away, or is that basically impossible?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Wait the Sun got blown up? I thought Superman only extinguished it.

 

[SuperAPM]

Well I assumed he extinguished it by blowing all its mass away, or something. The feat obviously makes no sense so I don't know what to do with it to be honest

 

[Jared1111]

I'd imagine so, don't think theres a scientific model for blowing away a Sun. I mean it looks like he moves it a bit, enough to blow out into space, so what would be a calc for moving a Sun one Sun away?

Also, dude's like "Meh, blowing out a Sun isn't that impressive." Like he's a Vs Battles Debater.

"******* ponies can do that man, i need some really good feats before i consider you adequate"

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Blowing a Sun that distance in a short period of time would just be baseline 4-C since we broke the SoL and cannot calculate KE.

 

[Qawsedf234]

From what I see he blows away the Chromosphere (the top layer) of the star. Its similar to the feat preformed by Mori Jin from God of Highschool.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

He seems to have broke SoL anyway if the debris travelled the distance of star in seconds.

 

[Qawsedf234]

The super breath is FTL, butI dunno if the star Chromosphere is FTL

 

[Jared1111]

Well, for sake of the argument what if he did do it at 99% SoL? If not, 4-C is fine.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

How heavy is the chromosphere?

 

[Qawsedf234]

How heavy is the chromosphere?

According to this calc 1.817e+21 kg

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Well for the sake of argument if he did it at 99% SoL it's still Dwarf Star level only.

So the star creating feat is probably the most impressive, baseline 4-C.

 

[SuperAPM]

The thing about the sun creation feat is that he does it by smashing two moons together. So aside from the incredible speed he's moving them at, all I can assume this feat to be showing is that he's smashing both moons together so hard that they literally start undergoing nucleur fusion. And I have no idea how that would be calced.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Well to create a star you need to be 4-C.

If you're interested in how fast the two moons have to be, doing some reverse relativistic KE calculation gets us 99.97% SoL for each moon.

No idea how nuclear fusion can be calculated though.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

bump

 

[Jared1111]

I think the 4-C rating is fine for Late Golden Age, and I agree with these upgrades.

 

[Antvasima]

What are the summarised conclusions here?

 

[Qawsedf234]

• GA Superman needs multiple keys, since the the current system doesn't easily support his feats from the middle of the Golden Age

• Superman's EoGA lifting strength needs to be based on Wonder Woman rather than his breath. Since he didn't actually move a star, just destroy it

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks. That seems fine then.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Well this kind of got forgotten, I guess the summarised conclusions are uncontroversial to apply?

 

[Antvasima]

I think that it should probably be fine to apply what was accepted here, yes.

 

[Hellbeast]

Actually the meteor feat might be more impressive than I let on. Whilst the meteor itself would have only destroyed half of metropolis, Superman impacting with it was said to have rocked the earth and sky. Which would probably elicit tier 6 results.

Rocking the Earth and sky feels like a hyperbolic way to reference an earthquake tbh

 

[Antvasima]

Well this kind of got forgotten, I guess the summarised conclusions are uncontroversial to apply?

I think that it should probably be fine to apply what was accepted here, yes.

Is somebody here willing to handle this please?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Sorry for never coming back to this but I need the page unlocked

 

[Antvasima]

No problem. Tell me here when you are done.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Large Country level

Eh bit disappointing but it actually makes more sense

It isn't an outlier?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

We're splitting him into keys further

 

[Antvasima]

Has this been applied yet?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

done

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. Is it fine if I close this thread then?