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Original Superman Upgrade
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So like Rebirth?
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Should we apply the changes then?
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We need to set up the keys. Either we pick dates or we use power benchmarks to seperate them. Like when he gained flight to seperate his Tier 9-8 stuff from his Tier 7 stuff as an example. For his Tier 5-4 stuff I guess just make a key for when he preformed those feats.Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Also when has GA Superman moved a star? He destroyed one and has tossed planets but I don't remember any movememt feats.
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For the first one he doesn't move the star.KLOL506 said:
For the second one have they directly fought in the GA canonically? Also I thought her star feat involved the plane moving her not a direct lifting feat.
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You have the scan on hand? As for scaling if they've ever seriously grappled then it's I'm fine with keeping the rating.
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"End of Golden Age" Superman is 4-C
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Yeah. Maybe go something like "Tier 8 | Low 7-C | Whatever the mountain range lift is | 4-C".
For lifting strength it should just be "Comparable to Wonder Woman".
For lifting strength it should just be "Comparable to Wonder Woman".
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If I were to recommend keys
30's/Early Golden Age as he didn't fly til the 40's
40's/Mid Golden Age when his powers were taking shape, he learned to fly in 41 as well so a good midpoint to his powers.
End Golden Age: The end of his ongoing series near the 50's where he got extreme time travel and Stellar feats.
Silver Age/Pre-Crisis: Where he was at the peak of his power, scaling directly to Pre-Crisis Supes
Post-Crisis: Somewhat weaker but still firmly Low Multiverse. End if his character.
30's/Early Golden Age as he didn't fly til the 40's
40's/Mid Golden Age when his powers were taking shape, he learned to fly in 41 as well so a good midpoint to his powers.
End Golden Age: The end of his ongoing series near the 50's where he got extreme time travel and Stellar feats.
Silver Age/Pre-Crisis: Where he was at the peak of his power, scaling directly to Pre-Crisis Supes
Post-Crisis: Somewhat weaker but still firmly Low Multiverse. End if his character.
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Is the mountain feat 40's Golden Age?
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What feats does he have for early Golden Age?
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Admittedly I haven't started looking for early golden age feats yet. What I can say for now is that his Appalachian feat is safely mid Golden Age era. It happens before any of his planetary to stellar level feats took place and even before the island shaking and skyscraper throwing feat that happened a year or so after this. Further, from what I've found so far, his meteor busting feat is the earliest point in which he performs a feat in a similar range to his mountain moving one, being published at around mid 1943.
I'll keep digging of course, shouldn't be to long now hopefully.
I'll keep digging of course, shouldn't be to long now hopefully.
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Here's all the noteworthy feats from 30s superman I'm aware of.
Faster than a streamline trai, auto or aircraft
Broke open a metal door.
Tanked bullets.
Lifts a car and smashes it.
Held up an entire metal bridge and a train.
knocked off the top of a mountain.
Destroyed a circus cart.
Outraced a bullet.
Destroyed tons of wooden houses
Destroyed an oil platform.
Destroyed an entire factory.
Survived a charge that could kill 500 men.
Collided with a speeding trai
Broke out of a block of crystal he was imprisoned within.
Carries an entire battleship out of the water.
Pulled a cruise liner.
Broke through a metal wall Ultra deemed unbreakable.
There's also this feat of destroying a power plant, though I don't know if it counts as this is also the issue he used heat vision for the first time.
Faster than a streamline trai, auto or aircraft
Broke open a metal door.
Tanked bullets.
Lifts a car and smashes it.
Held up an entire metal bridge and a train.
knocked off the top of a mountain.
Destroyed a circus cart.
Outraced a bullet.
Destroyed tons of wooden houses
Destroyed an oil platform.
Destroyed an entire factory.
Survived a charge that could kill 500 men.
Collided with a speeding trai
Broke out of a block of crystal he was imprisoned within.
Carries an entire battleship out of the water.
Pulled a cruise liner.
Broke through a metal wall Ultra deemed unbreakable.
There's also this feat of destroying a power plant, though I don't know if it counts as this is also the issue he used heat vision for the first time.
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Hmmn seems 8-C-ish.
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What we can establish is that very early Clark should be whatever level a bursting shell is. Since the quote is that nothing less than a bursting shell could penetrate his skin would mean that the bursting shell itself would. Keep in mind this quote was made a panel before he decided to become Superman, so it should act as a good baseline for him at that time.
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Bursting shell likely just means a bullet shell. Which he already has feats of surviving completely unscathed in action comic #1. Also I'd say it's better to use feats than narrator statements, since if we used those without caring for what happens in the actual feat early golden age superman has two lightning speed statements.
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I find it very hard to picture a bursting shell being used to describe anything other than an explosive. Anyway the statement's only meant as a baseline statement to jump off from, he likely has better feats which I am in the process of finding.
Tho if you do want to help I would suggest looking through Action Comics #1 to 19 if you haven't already.
Tho if you do want to help I would suggest looking through Action Comics #1 to 19 if you haven't already.
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Based on the panels, Supersonic since even tho the bullet loses velocity over a distance and Superman was initially a bit behind the bullet when it came out of the muzzle, it's not that big of a distance, just a few meters, which really is nowhere near close enough to bring the bullet to Subsonic anytime soon, and Superman eventually outpaced it by some distance.
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Here's the feat. A M1 has a muzzle velocity of mach 2.48. So its likely around baseline Supersonic+
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Did you get a chance to calc any of the feats Ningan provided by any chance?
Did you get a chance to calc any of the feats Ningan provided by any chance?
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Not yet, I'll see if I have time later. Factory, oil platform and mountain probably first priority.
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Unfortunately I don't think the more impressive feats are calcable, as many feats are unclear and we don't have a full shot of the object in the feat. Destroying a car is at least 9-A though, but I suggest we rate him as 8-C for his factory destroying feat.
Speed wise, Supersonic via outracing a bullet.
The bridge and battleship should probably give him as Class M rating.
Speed wise, Supersonic via outracing a bullet.
The bridge and battleship should probably give him as Class M rating.
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So his keys would look something like this, I presume:
Keys: Early Golden Age | Mid Golden Age | Late Golden Age | Silver Age - Infinite Crisis
AP: 8-C | High 6-B | 4-C | 2-C
Speed: Supersonic | Hypersonic+ | MFTL+ | MFTL+
LS: Class M | Class P | Stellar | Immesurable
Is that Correct, or am I missing anything?
Keys: Early Golden Age | Mid Golden Age | Late Golden Age | Silver Age - Infinite Crisis
AP: 8-C | High 6-B | 4-C | 2-C
Speed: Supersonic | Hypersonic+ | MFTL+ | MFTL+
LS: Class M | Class P | Stellar | Immesurable
Is that Correct, or am I missing anything?
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Should we include the "Immeasurable with time travel" thing for the speed rating like with Flash or is that covered by the PA section?
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