OPM Low 5-B upgrades

[Kachon123]

Its already been denied and the core reasonings haven't change. Absorbing a planet does not make you 5-B.

ok

 

[LordTracer]

If we don’t scale 10 Second Genos (which I’m not too sure about, I think he should just be “At most Low 5-B”), what would he end up at?

 

[Tural2004]

Alright, I am back. What did I miss? Also I saw some arguments about Tatsumaki tanking Psykorochi's blast and therefore being same level. But wasn't the previous argument about if Psykorochi was weakened or not? For those who missed, we're talking about Saitama's punch weakening her

 

[Kachon123]

We are done discussing everything

 

[Epiccheev]

Yeah, i think Genos should be At most Low-5B
If we don't scale him for whatever reason he would get a Far higher with 10 seconds mode, similar to how Spring mustachio has it with tomboy for impaling Garou's hand despite the former being 8-C and the latter high 7-C

 

[Tural2004]

I read all of comments that were made during my absence. The argument about Psykorochi being weakened isn't properly discussed at all

 

[Tural2004]

I suggest low 5-B for Psykorochi and high 6-A, possibly low 5-B for Genos and Tatsumaki. That still doesn't feel right though

 

[LordTracer]

Psykorochi’s weakening is not quantifiable, and it definitely isn’t implied or stated that she became so weak that she dropped from Low 5-B to High 6-A. A major decrease like that would have been made very clear, but it’s not.

 

[Tural2004]

Psykorochi’s weakening is not quantifiable, and it definitely isn’t implied or stated that she became so weak that she dropped from Low 5-B to High 6-A. A major decrease like that would have been made very clear, but it’s not.

Even though it isn't quantifiable, it still is decrease at the end(that's why I say it should "possibly low 5-B" forr Tatsumaki at best, not just low 5-B). While I agree that losing that much power doesn't sound right, saying Psykorochi was still low 5-B isn't right either. I want to bring my previous argument. Tatsumaki said bending Pyskorochi's beams was hard but later weakened Tatsumaki casually stopped her beams. Also reverse barrier of Psykorochi almost killed Tatsumaki.

 

[LordTracer]

Tatsumaki wasn’t totally focused on Psykorochi throughout that entire fight, which was made abundantly clear at the end of the fight, so her “”””””struggling”””””” doesn’t really matter.

 

[Tural2004]

Tatsumaki wasn’t totally focused on Psykorochi throughout that entire fight, which was made abundantly clear at the end of the fight, so her “”””””struggling”””””” doesn’t really matter.

No, at the very beginning of fight there was nothing distracting her. No tsunamis to stop and no heroes to save. Those happened after she lifted MA base

 

[LordTracer]

No, at the very beginning of fight there was nothing distracting her. No tsunamis to stop and no heroes to save. Those happened after she lifted MA base

That’s not what Tatsumaki herself said. She’s explicitly not going all-out.

 

[Tural2004]

That’s not what Tatsumaki herself said. She’s explicitly not going all-out.

Indeed, she doesn't go all out. But that only means not attacking at full force to not reck whole place. That still doesn't explain why it was hard to bend the beams since using a lot more power would decrease damage instead of increasing it. Or why she almost died during barrier reverse thing. She didn't need attacking. She could just defend herself at that situation

 

[Maharaj]

Even though it isn't quantifiable, it still is decrease at the end(that's why I say it should "possibly low 5-B" forr Tatsumaki at best, not just low 5-B). While I agree that losing that much power doesn't sound right, saying Psykorochi was still low 5-B isn't right either. I want to bring my previous argument. Tatsumaki said bending Pyskorochi's beams was hard but later weakened Tatsumaki casually stopped her beams. Also reverse barrier of Psykorochi almost killed Tatsumaki.

that reverse barrier was more hax than AP it was really just turning tatsumakis power on her and after that tatsumaki specifically designed diffrent barriers to stop that from happening

 

[LordTracer]

That still doesn't explain why it was hard to bend the beams

Uh… yes it does, because she’s not going at full strength.

Or why she almost died during barrier reverse thing. She didn't need attacking. She could just defend herself at that situation

She was blatantly still holding back. She even says RIGHT AFTER THE BARRIER BREAKS that she can stop holding back.

So no, these are not valid examples to say Tatsumaki actually struggled against Psykorochi, because she was blatantly holding back.

 

[Tural2004]

Uh… yes it does, because she’s not going at full strength.

She was blatantly still holding back. She even says RIGHT AFTER THE BARRIER BREAKS that she can stop holding back.

So no, these are not valid examples to say Tatsumaki actually struggled against Psykorochi, because she was blatantly holding back.

You just repeated what you said. I am gonna use same argument again. She holds back but only at attacking. It doesn't make sense why she doesn't use more power to bend attacks since doing that wouldn't damage surroundings.

 

[LordTracer]

Trying to bend part of Psykorochi’s body is literally attacking.

 

[Tural2004]

Trying to bend part of Psykorochi’s body is literally attacking.

I am talking about bending beams, not the body

 

[LordTracer]

Also if you look at the official translation, Tatsumaki just says that her barrier is hard, so she’s not even trying to bend anything.

 

[Tural2004]

Also if you look at the official translation, Tatsumaki just says that her barrier is hard, so she’s not even trying to bend anything.

Then I agree

 

[Bernkastelll]

So, everything agreed? I cant wait to throw Saitama vs certain characters now

 

[Tural2004]

But due to unquantifiable weaker part I still think it should be possibly low 5-B

 

[Tural2004]

But I am not disagree with just writing low 5B

 

[LordTracer]

I believe everything is good now. A lot of people (including Qawsdef) agreed with the CSRC being “High 6-A, possibly Low 5-B” so I think we’re done here.

Although I would like to add that we should add a note to Boros’ page to explain that the “blast away” translation is just as valid as the “scorch the surface” one.

 

[Tural2004]

So, everything agreed? I cant wait to throw Saitama vs certain characters now

I guess yes.

 

[Ourosboros]

I believe everything is good now. A lot of people (including Qawsdef) agreed with the CSRC being “High 6-A, possibly Low 5-B” so I think we’re done here.

Although I would like to add that we should add a note to Boros’ page to explain that the “blast away” translation is just as valid as the “scorch the surface” one.

What is the agreed upon key for Orochi now? Is he straight up Low 5-B or only Low 5-B with Gaia cannon?

 

[Tural2004]

Btw can I ask what will be Orochi's tier? Low 5-B, higher with Gaia Cannon?

 

[LordTracer]

What is the agreed upon key for Orochi now? Is he straight up Low 5-B or only Low 5-B with Gaia cannon?

Just Low 5-B.

 

[Tural2004]

What is the agreed upon key for Orochi now? Is he straight up Low 5-B or only Low 5-B with Gaia cannon?

Well, he did low 5-B feat without powering up. I think he is straight up low 5-B

 

[LordTracer]

Although I did just remember that there was some contention on Genos, what if we gave him “far higher, at most Low 5-B with Ten Second Mode?”

 

[Tural2004]

Although I did just remember that there was some contention on Genos, what if we gave him “far higher, at most Low 5-B with Ten Second Mode?”

I agree

 

[Qawsedf234]

So are we going with it scaling to their physicals are we keeping it as Low 5-B with energy manipulation only.

I'm still with the former but I've missed like three pages of debate.

 

[Tural2004]

So are we going with it scaling to their physicals are we keeping it as Low 5-B with energy manipulation only.

I'm still with the former but I've missed like three pages of debate.

I would say physicals

 

[Ourosboros]

So here's what I'm understanding and correct me if I'm wrong:

Post-Training Saitama: at least low 5-B, likely far higher (very casually deflected the Gaia cannon, has never seriously exerted himself)

True Form Orochi: low 5-B (gaia cannon goes boom)

Psykos fused with Orochi: Low 5-B (should not be weaker than True Form Orochi)

Tatsumaki: at least Low 5-B (stronger than Psykos fused with Orochi)

Post Elder Centipede Genos: 7-B, higher with self destruction, up to at most Low 5-B with ten seconds mode (able to briefly beam clash with Psykos fused with Orochi)

Boros: 6-A, High 6-A, possibly low 5-B with CSRC

 

[LordTracer]

So are we going with it scaling to their physicals are we keeping it as Low 5-B with energy manipulation only.

I'm still with the former but I've missed like three pages of debate.

Either one works, but I’ve seen more arguments towards physicals, so I guess that?

 

[Ourosboros]

I would say physicals

I agree as well. This seems to be the general consensus here.

 

[LordTracer]

So here's what I'm understanding and correct me if I'm wrong:

Post-Training Saitama: at least low 5-B, likely far higher (very casually deflected the Gaia cannon, has never seriously exerted himself)

True Form Orochi: low 5-B (gaia cannon goes boom)

Psykos fused with Orochi: Low 5-B (should not be weaker than True Form Orochi)

Tatsumaki: at least Low 5-B (stronger than Psykos fused with Orochi)

Post Elder Centipede Genos: 7-B, higher with self destruction, up to at most Low 5-B with ten seconds mode (able to briefly beam clash with Psykos fused with Orochi)

Boros: High 6-A, possibly low 5-B

Boros is only with the CSRC, but yeah, that’s basically it.

 

[Kachon123]

So here's what I'm understanding and correct me if I'm wrong:

Post-Training Saitama: at least low 5-B, likely far higher (very casually deflected the Gaia cannon, has never seriously exerted himself)

True Form Orochi: low 5-B (gaia cannon goes boom)

Psykos fused with Orochi: Low 5-B (should not be weaker than True Form Orochi)

Tatsumaki: at least Low 5-B (stronger than Psykos fused with Orochi)

Post Elder Centipede Genos: 7-B, higher with self destruction, up to at most Low 5-B with ten seconds mode (able to briefly beam clash with Psykos fused with Orochi)

Boros: 6-A, High 6-A, possibly low 5-B with CSRC

yes!

 

[Ourosboros]

Boros is only with the CSRC, but yeah, that’s basically it.

Edited

 

[Tural2004]

So here's what I'm understanding and correct me if I'm wrong:

Post-Training Saitama: at least low 5-B, likely far higher (very casually deflected the Gaia cannon, has never seriously exerted himself)

True Form Orochi: low 5-B (gaia cannon goes boom)

Psykos fused with Orochi: Low 5-B (should not be weaker than True Form Orochi)

Tatsumaki: at least Low 5-B (stronger than Psykos fused with Orochi)

Post Elder Centipede Genos: 7-B, higher with self destruction, up to at most Low 5-B with ten seconds mode (able to briefly beam clash with Psykos fused with Orochi)

Boros: 6-A, High 6-A, possibly low 5-B with CSRC

I think Saitama overpowering CSRC should be mentioned as well but overall I agree. Btw their lifting strength will be class Z, right?