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Operation: Gohan (& Buu Saga clean-ups)

Solar System level normally (As a result of becoming pure evil, Buu gained the body and the mindset to properly utilize the power he gained from his previous absorptions and became much more powerful. Toyed with Gotenks as a Super Saiyan and initially fought evenly with him after he became a Super Saiyan 3. Was confident he could singlehandedly defeat Goku and Vegeta while they were unable to fuse), after absorbing Gotenks and Piccolo (After absorbing Gotenks and Piccolo, he completely humiliated Ultimate Gohan, who previously stomped him) and after absorbing Gohan (Became the strongest character at the time, save for Vegito, surpassing the likes of his former selves and a hypothetical Metamoran Fusion between Goku and Vegeta)

Looking at the Super Buu key again, it should have higher ratings for his absorptions (basically, Solar System level [insert base justification], higher after absorbing Gotenks and Piccolo [insert Buutenks justification], even higher after absorbing Gohan [insert Buuhan justification])
 
Looking at the Super Buu key again, it should have higher ratings for his absorptions (basically, Solar System level [insert base justification], higher after absorbing Gotenks and Piccolo [insert Buutenks justification], even higher after absorbing Gohan [insert Buuhan justification])
Yeah, agreed.
 
Looking at the Super Buu key again, it should have higher ratings for his absorptions (basically, Solar System level [insert base justification], higher after absorbing Gotenks and Piccolo [insert Buutenks justification], even higher after absorbing Gohan [insert Buuhan justification])
Okay, since nobody seems to wanna apply this, I will later today.
Could you please write down your modified key proposal for Buu so I can apply it as well?
 
Could you please write down your modified key proposal for Buu so I can apply it as well?
Solar System level (As a result of becoming pure evil, Buu gained the body and the mindset to properly utilize the power he gained from his previous absorptions and became much more powerful. Toyed with Gotenks as a Super Saiyan and initially fought evenly with him after he became a Super Saiyan 3. Was confident he could singlehandedly defeat Goku and Vegeta while they were unable to fuse, a notion that Goku himself supported), higher after absorbing Gotenks and Piccolo (Completely humiliated Ultimate Gohan, who previously stomped him), even higher after absorbing Gohan (Became the strongest character at the time, save for Vegito)
 
Solar System level (As a result of becoming pure evil, Buu gained the body and the mindset to properly utilize the power he gained from his previous absorptions and became much more powerful. Toyed with Gotenks as a Super Saiyan and initially fought evenly with him after he became a Super Saiyan 3. Was confident he could singlehandedly defeat Goku and Vegeta while they were unable to fuse, a notion that Goku himself supported), higher after absorbing Gotenks and Piccolo (Completely humiliated Ultimate Gohan, who previously stomped him), even higher after absorbing Gohan (Became the strongest character at the time, save for Vegito)
The only thing to note here is that SSJ3 Goku was on par with Kid Buu, not Fat Buu. Goku dominated Fat Buu with SSJ3 pretty easily, and he couldn't even really use his full power at the time since he was dead and could only use SSJ3 for a little while
 
That key description is for Super Buu though.
 
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It also says he was equal to Kid Buu, but you’re gonna have to ask Null to edit the scans since he made them.
 
The excerpt from the Daizenshuu included in the justification for Innocent Buu references Innocent Buu, not Kid Buu.
 
Yes, but this is for only the power Goku showed against Buu. Goku couldn't use his full power as it drains his time on Earth

Besides, SSJ3 Goku is equal to Kid Buu, who stomped Fat Buu later in the saga. In fact, Goku said he could've outright beaten Kid Buu if it weren't for the major stamina loss with SSJ3
 
Fat Buu later on should logically be weaker than the (Fat) Majin Buu Goku fought earlier in the arc since he's missing his "Evil" counterpart.
It's kinda like Super Buu becoming weaker after Fat Buu was separated from him, resulting in Kid Buu.
 
Would Gohan still be 4-B as a Super Saiyan 2, even without the High 4-C+ scaling? A fraction of a fraction of his power as a Super Saiyan 2 was enough to hold back Super Perfect Cell when he was a young boy, and with only half of his full power, he absolutely decimated him.

While he may not be able to muster up the same amount of strength as he could years back, he should still be able to draw up enough power to compare to his suppressed, younger self.
 
Would Gohan still be 4-B as a Super Saiyan 2, even without the High 4-C+ scaling? A fraction of a fraction of his power as a Super Saiyan 2 was enough to hold back Super Perfect Cell when he was a young boy, and with only half of his full power, he absolutely decimated him.
Super Perfect Cell actually overpowered Gohan in their beam struggle. Gohan was indeed only using half of his power, and when pushed beyond the limit (with the help of Vegeta distracting Cell), Gohan managed to overpower Cell and kill him

However, Buu Saga SSJ2 Gohan absolutely doesn't scale to 4-B, as Dabura, who is as strong as Cell, said that Gohan is much weaker than him and he would've easily killed him had they fought again
While he may not be able to muster up the same amount of strength as he could years back, he should still be able to draw up enough power to compare to his suppressed, younger self.
SSJ2 Gohan in the Cell Saga wasn't suppressed. The form was literally all his anger (and rage boosts) being used at once to activate and power up his form
 
as Dabura, who is as strong as Cell, said that Gohan is much weaker than him
Gohan not being a Super Saiyan 2 against Dabura and other stuff, including his power stagnation, have been accepted here.
SSJ2 Gohan in the Cell Saga wasn't suppressed.
Goku confirmed that Gohan was holding back against Cell during their climatic struggle out of fear of accidentally destroying the planet — later confirmed by the Daizenshuu 2. Not only that, but Gohan was not even angry in this instance. He was pained by the death of his father and his own arrogance and also, once again, scared of his own power and the collateral damage he could inflict. Hell, his engagement with Cell's Solar Kamehameha was not born of anger, but newfound confidence.
The form was literally all his anger (and rage boosts) being used at once to activate and power up his form
Also, are you suggesting that Gohan was as powerful as he was because of an anger boost? Because, that is not the case. Gohan was dicking around with Cell the entire time. He was not angry — he was full of himself, drunk off power, all the while, completely nonchalant. Anger was simply the catalyst for his power.
Super Perfect Cell actually overpowered Gohan in their beam struggle.
Gohan held his own in the beginning and kept Cell at bay. He only began to waver towards the tail-end of the struggle once his fear kicked in, and even then, he was still able to keep Cell from completely bulldozing over him.

This post is also a good reference.
 
Some of the links doesn't work. And regardless of SSJ2 or not, Gohan was still way weaker with SSJ2 then he was when fighting Cell
Also, are you suggesting that Gohan was as powerful as he was because of an anger boost? Because, that is not the case. Gohan was dicking around with Cell the entire time. He was not angry — he was full of himself, drunk off power, all the while, completely nonchalant. Anger was simply the catalyst for his power.
The anger boost unlocked Gohan's hidden power much like in the other instances when Gohan is enraged, though here it is a different case
Gohan held his own in the beginning and kept Cell at bay. He only began to waver towards the tail-end of the struggle once his fear kicked in, and even then, he was still able to keep Cell from completely bulldozing over him.

This post is also a good reference.
Cell easily overpowered Gohan before Goku encouraged him to not hold back so he'd be able to beat Cell. However, only because of Vegeta, Goku and Gohan could do the final push to finally kill Cell
 
Would Gohan still be 4-B as a Super Saiyan 2, even without the High 4-C+ scaling? A fraction of a fraction of his power as a Super Saiyan 2 was enough to hold back Super Perfect Cell when he was a young boy, and with only half of his full power, he absolutely decimated him.

While he may not be able to muster up the same amount of strength as he could years back, he should still be able to draw up enough power to compare to his suppressed, younger self.
No he just scales far above Goku who isn't close to 4-B.
 
They knew SSJ2 Gohan's power back in the tournament and it was more impressive than Goku's.
The scan didn't showed their reaction compared to SSJ Goku though since that was with Spopovich and Yamu, who both did not saw SSJ Goku. Maybe another scan is needed to justify that (maybe Babidi's reaction I guess?)
 
he can't be solar system level
he isn't.
The scan said the energy is better than that of SSJ Goku but he wasn't SSJ when they checked Gohan
Gohan's energy caused the Energy Meter to malfunction, whereas Goku's didn't, and his energy was enough to bring Buu's resurrection to its half-way point, something that Babidi compared to draining hundreds of people. Furthermore, the only other people to generate enough energy for Buu to fully resurrect were Super Saiyan 2 Goku and Majin Vegeta. Not even the likes of Goku, Yakon, Pui Pui, or Dabura generated that much energy.
 
Goku wasn't even close to be in full power at this moment, as he could already overpower Yakon in Base form. This is also shown when Goku powers up in SSJ further, and eventually into SSJ2, which then explodes Yakon
 
Goku wasn't even close to be in full power at this moment, as he could already overpower Yakon in Base form. This is also shown when Goku powers up in SSJ further, and eventually into SSJ2, which then explodes Yakon
Goku literally needed to go SSJ2 to kill yakon with energy so his full power as a SSJ is not enough to reach gohan's power.
he isn't.

Gohan's energy caused the Energy Meter to malfunction, whereas Goku's didn't, and his energy was enough to bring Buu's resurrection to its half-way point, something that Babidi compared to draining hundreds of people. Furthermore, the only other people to generate enough energy for Buu to fully resurrect were Super Saiyan 2 Goku and Majin Vegeta. Not even the likes of Goku, Yakon, Pui Pui, or Dabura generated that much energy.
We're on the same page then, Gohan is already completed.
 
Goku wasn't even close to be in full power at this moment, as he could already overpower Yakon in Base form. This is also shown when Goku powers up in SSJ further, and eventually into SSJ2, which then explodes Yakon
Gohan's energy caused the Energy Meter to malfunction, whereas Goku's didn't, and his energy was enough to bring Buu's resurrection to its half-way point, something that Babidi compared to draining hundreds of people. Furthermore, the only other people to generate enough energy for Buu to fully resurrect were Super Saiyan 2 Goku and Majin Vegeta. Not even the likes of Goku, Yakon, Pui Pui, or Dabura generated that much energy.
 
This doesn't link to the Daizenshuu statement

Nah, he showed off a massive level of power. His power was so great Vegeta quite literally let Babbidi control him because he knew he could not hope to match the strength gap otherwise.
Only as SSJ2. Not with SSJ. Or at least not at first. When Babidi first measured SSJ Goku's power, he wasn't at full power. Goku then powered up and evwntually turned SSJ2 as well, showing he had a lot more power in reserves when Babidi scanned his power
 
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