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Hmm could be throwing. Depends if the glow is there upon impact, or not. If the glow is there then they're just carrying objects via tk at high speed.

Which now that i think about it would have to be the case if gery is eliminating the friction. Just throwing the rock wouldnt eliminate friction.
 
Murata never says Tatsumaki throws anything at sub-light speed. The only thing that is ever described as sub-light is Geryuganshoop. All he says for Tatsumaki is the rocks would immediately evaporate due to friction and air resistance if she tried to do what he does. Her rocks wouldn't even get the chance to reach anywhere near sub-light speed before it evaporates. That's what Murata was getting at.

Garou wasn't at all taking Tatsumaki seriously, was toying around with her and even mocking those rocks she was throwing at him.
 
If the translation is correct then it does look like an at least Relativistic feat, "Near light speed" can't really be anything less than 51% the speed of light.
 
He clearly says, "If she was to throw things at that speed" suggesting she could. Just friction would vaporize the items.
 
Yeah; that also seems to me that if she was throwing something durable enough not be harmed by air friction, then she could throw it at those speeds without it being destroyed.

EDIT: She would just be unable to throw normal rocks at that speed.
 
Quangotjokes said:
He clearly says, "If she was to throw things at that speed" suggesting she could. Just friction would vaporize the items.
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No. He says nothing of the sort. You literally made up that quote.

What he actually says is "If Tatsumaki throws rocks like he does, her output will be too powerful, the temperature increase due to friction and pressure, and evaporate the rocks in an instant."

Which means if she tries to throw rocks like Geryuganshoop, they'd immediately evaporate due to friction and pressure.

Then right after he says

"Geryuganshoop's psychokinesis can eliminate the friction between objects and air, the rocks will fly at sub-light speed"

So he attributes the rocks flying at sub-light speed to Geryuganshoop eliminating friction, which he explicitly said Tatsumaki couldn't do right before.

"Tatsumaki can throw very large objects, but there's a limit to how fast she can throw them. Geryuganshoop is the greatest psychic in the universe after all."

Now he confirms that Geryuganshoop can throw these rocks faster than Tatsumaki.
 
Is it possible that Murata is referring to the fact that if Tatsumaki does it, the rock would just be destroyed way too fast before they reach top speed and she can technically do it if she were to get something stronger, while Gery doesn't have to worry about that?
 
Murata never, ever states that Tatsumaki is as fast as Geryuganshoop. He never states that Tatsumaki is capable of sub-light speeds. He never states that Tatsumaki can throw stuff at sub-light speed, it'd just evaporate right after.

^ All of these things are pure, unadulterated headcanon.

All he says is that if Tatsumaki's rocks would evaporate due to friction and air resistance if she tried doing the same.

A rock would evaporate due to friction and air resistance far before it even reaches anywhere close to sub-light speed.

Now let's go over some things Murata actually said.

  • "Geryuganshoop's psychokinesis can eliminate the friction between objects and air, the rocks will fly at sub-light speed"
Murata directly attributes the rocks flying at sub-light speed to Geryuganshoop's ability.

  • "Tatsumaki can throw very large objects, but there's a limit to how fast she can throw them. Geryuganshoop is the greatest psychic in the universe after all."
Murata directly states Tatsumaki cannot throw things as fast as Geryuganshoop.
 
Can you lock the thread then if you've reached a conclusion and there are no other upgrades to discuss?
 
I'm gonna have to agree with Ryukama, Murata outright states she's inferior anyways so scaling them would be weird.
 
So

Saitama


Monster Garou

Boros

All need to be Upgraded to Relativistic+ right?
 
Kep and Matt think Relativistic is more appropriate. I'm fine with that. But I prefer "At least Relativistic, likely higher" since not only is Relativistic more of a lowball, but Geryuganshoop is immensely inferior to those three. Azzy was fine with this suggestion too.
 
Yeah Likely Higher is definitely more reasonable considering how fodder Geryuganshoop is compared to those three.
 
Geryuganshoop: At least Relativistic attack speed (His attacks were stated by Murata in an interview to be near light speed)

Saitama: At least Relativistic, likely higher (Effortlessly threw a rock faster than Geryuganshoop could. It was also stated by Murata that Geryuganshoop's attacks are "nothing" compared to Saitama and "a bad joke" in his eyes.)

Boros: At least Relativistic, likely higher (Kept up with and landed attacks on a somewhat serious Saitama, which should make him immensely faster than Geryuganshoop, whose attacks were "nothing" to Saitama and "a bad joke" in his eyes.)

Garou: At least Relativistic, likely higher (Kept up with and landed attacks on a somewhat serious Saitama, which should make him immensely faster than Geryuganshoop, whose attacks were "nothing" to Saitama and "a bad joke" in his eyes. Stated by ONE to have the advantage over Boros in close combat)

^ These would be my suggestions.
 
"If Tatsumaki throws rocks like he does, her output will be too powerful, the temperature increase due to friction and pressure, and evaporate the rocks in an instant."

I didn't make it up. Murata clearly said it. She can throw things that fast, but she's so powerful that without eliminating the friction they will just be vaporized.
 
He never said "If she was to throw things at that speed" like you claimed he did. That is a made up quote.

Murata never says she can throw things at sub-light speed. He never says she can throw things as fast as him. He never says she'd can throw something at sub-light speed but it'd evaporate immediately.

All he said was the rocks would evaporate if she tried throwing rocks like him due to friction and air resistance. Friction and air resistance would make the rocks evaporate far before it ever reaches sub-light speed. And assuming that it'd still reach sub-light speed yet evaporate right after is based on absolutely nothing but headcanon.
 
Tatsumaki scaling to Geryuganshoop is ridiculous as there is no proof whatsoever. But Saitama, along with Boros and Garou certainly do scale, so can someone do the changes and get this over with already?
 
@Surname Thank you! Tatsumaki has zero Relativistic statements. She is explicitly slower than the guy with a Relativistic statement. She explicitly cannot perform the same Relativistic feat the guy can. So why on earth would she scale to Relativistic?
 
Bottom line.

  • Tatsumaki is never once stated to be able to throw things as fast as Geryuganshoop. In fact pretty much the opposite. "Tatsumaki can throw very large objects, but there's a limit to how fast she can throw them. Geryuganshoop is the greatest psychic in the universe after all."
  • It is stated that if she tried throwing these rocks like him they immediately evaporate due to friction and air resistance.
  • Friction and air resistance would vaporize a rock far before it ever reaches anywhere close to sub-light speed.
  • "Tatsumaki can throw things at sub-light speed but they'd just evaporate right after". One this wouldn't scale to anything, not even attack speed. Two this is never ever stated. The only one who is ever said able to throw something at sub-light speed is Geryuganshoop, who is explicitly faster than Tatsumaki, a better psychic than Tatsumaki and has an ability that she lacks. The very ability which allows Geryuganshoop to reach sub-light speed.
  • So it's said that friction and air resistance would evaporate Tatsumaki's rocks if she threw them. We know that friction and air resistance evaporates rocks far before they can reach anywhere near sub-light speed. So why would we say Tatsumaki's rocks would reach sub-light speed before evaporating? It's never stated that this is the case.
 
Ryukama said:
Geryuganshoop: At least Relativistic attack speed (His attacks were stated by Murata in an interview to be near light speed)
Saitama: At least Relativistic, likely higher (Effortlessly threw a rock faster than Geryuganshoop could. It was also stated by Murata that Geryuganshoop's attacks are "nothing" compared to Saitama and "a bad joke" in his eyes.)

Boros: At least Relativistic, likely higher (Kept up with and landed attacks on a somewhat serious Saitama, which should make him immensely faster than Geryuganshoop, whose attacks were "nothing" to Saitama and "a bad joke" in his eyes.)

^ These would be my suggestions.
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Two things:

1.I am pretty sure Murata didn't state that Saitama threw the rock at Geryuganshoop faster than him

2. Saitama never was "somewhat serious" against Boros,only in his final attack which one shot Boros
 
tfw literally every other monster bar Boros (and maybe Beefcake) have feats which when calculated don't even come 4-5 orders of magnitude close to one feat Genos performed early on in the series.
 
I'm pretty sure everyone besides Ryope disagrees with scaling Tats to Geryu

But the other upgrades should be made by someone.
 
Austrian-Man-Meat said:
tfw literally every other monster bar Boros (and maybe Beefcake) have feats which when calculated don't even come 4-5 orders of magnitude close to one feat Genos performed early on in the series.
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Boros really needs a Meteoric Burst picture. But yeah. I think maybe Pluton would be the only other person (besides Saitama) that has a calcable feat comparable to Genos' chapter 9 feat (as of now).
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Boros really needs a Meteoric Burst picture. But yeah. I think maybe Pluton would be the only other person (besides Saitama) that has a calcable feat comparable to Genos' chapter 9 feat (as of now).
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Pluton is filler character tho
 
I know. Just listing someone that maybe has a feat of similar scale.
 
@Ryop After going on and on about how fast Geryuganshoop can throw rocks, Murata said that Saitama still casually beat him with a rock toss, and how the speed of which Geryuganshoop can throw rocks is nothing and a bad joke to him. That obviously indicates that Saitama's rock toss was faster than Geryuganshoop's.

Saitama was far more serious against Boros than he was with every single other monster prior, even if he was still casual. Saitama outright said he was going serious (of course "serious" in huge quotation marks) against Garou, who Boros scales to.

Either way Boros still managed to land hits on Saitama who wouldn't have been any more supressed than when he just fought Geryuganshoop moments before, Boros actually impressed Saitama with how powerful he is and Boros is the greatest, most powerful fighter of the Dark Matter Thieves. So he scales.
 
Seeing the threads on these changes, everyone agrees for the most part. Someone should add the changes.

I was thinking someone add or grab a good picture of Meteoric Burst and add it to Boros' profile picures.
 
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