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I mean Saitama didn't catch any of the rocks, he just let all of the rocks hit him. It's only an upgrade for Geryuganshoop. Maybe a reaction upgrade for Saitama.
 
Saitama views something that is 90-100% lightspeed as "nothing" and a "bad joke", then effortlessly threw a rock even faster than Geryuganshoop could. That'd make him FTL.

Boros and Garou pushed Saitama much further than Geryuganshoop's rocks ever did, and even managed to dodge attacks from and land hits on Saitama when he was taking things far more seriously. Plus Boros should just logically be faster than Geryuganshoop. They get upgraded too.

This is of course, if the statement is even translated properly, which tbh these sudden changes left and right seem suspicious. And if the rest of the staff wants to accept a WoG statement like this.
 
Do any staff members speak japanese? The video where he says these things is archived on his Ustream channel and can be independently verified by anyone who can understand what he is saying.
 
Yeah, I don't know if Saitama should be FTL unless we get a clearer translation. I mean even then most high end feats in OPM are either baseline sub-relativistic or a little higher (Atomic Samurai's slashes, Suiryu's stadium dash, and Lightspeed Flashes barrage attack)

so while I would support relativistic Saitama I wouldn't do the same for FTL Saitama unless that statement is translated correctly.
 
I support the idea of Saitama, Boros and Garou being upgraded to at least Relativistic+. Also while other opm feats haven't been at this level we do have a single statement that suggests lightspeed by good ol awakened cockroach. I'm not suggesting we should take that at face value but I think we should accept Boros, Garou and Saitama being at least Relativistic+.

(I can't reply for a while so if anyone wants to argue I won't be able to for a few hours)
 
DanFlsamual21 said:
I support the idea of Saitama, Boros and Garou being upgraded to at least Relativistic+. Also while other opm feats haven't been at this level we do have a single statement that suggests lightspeed by good ol awakened cockroach. I'm not suggesting we should take that at face value but I think we should accept Boros, Garou and Saitama being at least Relativistic+.

(I can't reply for a while so if anyone wants to argue I won't be able to for a few hours)
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I'm pretty sure that statement by Awakened Cockraoch claimed that attacks even going at light Speed wouldn't touch him because he would be able to sense it before it was fired. So that's aim dodging at best.
 
Well I think the most important part of that is the claim that "90 - 100% lightspeed attacks are like a bad joke to Saitama", so It'd be nice to have some independent verification of that specific claim.
 
In response to Ryukama, I have made Vaccine Man "At least 7-B" for both keys. And as for the speed upgrades, I personally agree with Thatoneguy78.
 
So supposedly 90-100% lightspeed is nothing to Saitama and he views it as a bad joke. Let's lowball at 90%. Even assuming Saitama was a mere 1.12 times faster (despite the fact that again, this attack was nothing to him and he viewed it as a bad joke), he'd still be FTL.

So if the translation is accurate, and the staff are fine with accepting a WoG statement of this nature, Saitama, Boros and Garou would be FTL.

Though tbh I am not sure about scaling Flashy Flash to this. All he did was block a few attacks from Garou, only to immediately get blitzed and one shot afterwards. Then when Flash recovers and tries to fight Garou later on, Garou literally blitzed Flash without even looking at his direction.

Plus if we're going to say Garou was going full power when he threw those attacks Flash dodged, we also gotta make Flash's durability to Planet level since he survived getting hit.

Also Saitama effortlessly dodged Flash's attack without a care, whereas Garou even landed stuff on Saitama after he claimed he was gonna get serious (of course not actually serious but more serious than usual). Flash clearly isn't on Garou's level.

Of course Flash is easily the fastest S-Class besides Blast. But I don't think he scales to Garou, Boros or less casual Saitama.
 
@Ryukama I'm just more skeptical about the translation than anything else. If we could get a better translation of the statement and it said 80%-90% SOL than I'm all for FTL OPM no complaints on my end

Yeah Flashy Flash's scaling weird as hell escpacially if FTL upgrades goes through. Flashy Flash did dodge an attempt by Garou to grab him and punches as you said

https://www.***********.net/onepunch-man-one/85/2

^Flashy dodging Garou's attack's.

Though based on the facial expression Flashy flash was making we can assume that this was him using his top speed in order to dodge Garou. So maybe Realtivistic+ Flashy flash? As he was struggling to dodge Garou's attacks and ultimately got kicked in the guts by Garou.

Problem with that was Garou stated that catching Flashy Flash would be easy even with Flashy using his Flowing Shadow Feet.

https://www.***********.net/onepunch-man-one/84/7

^Awakened Garou's statement

So Garou was probably going easy on Flashy Flash cause he knew that he was faster then Flashy. So it's eithier Realtivistic+ if the FTL upgrades go through or unknown cause Garou was going easy on Flashy Flash so there's no real quantifiable way to judge Flashy's Speed.
 
Flashy Flash just shouldn't be scaled at all to Monster Garou. MG blitzed Flash multiple times afterward that feat of dodging a few attacks. MG could trade blows with a "serious" Saitama, whereas a completely casual Saitama dodged Flash's attacks like nothing. Plus again, if we're going to claim MG was going full power then Flash's durability also jumps to Planet level.

This is what I'm fine with. "At least Massively Hypersonic+ (Able to defeat Awakened Garou, who is far faster than regular Garou, who viewed high end A-Classes as practically frozen. Much faster than Darkshine, who can somewhat keep up with Bang, who's able to blitz Dragon levels. Was the only S-Class who's speed impressed Garou, and managed to dodge a few casual attacks of his before getting blitzed)". Maybe a "likely/possibly higher" could work too.
 
Ryukama said:
Flashy Flash just shouldn't be scaled at all to Monster Garou. MG blitzed Flash multiple times afterward that feat of dodging a few attacks. MG could trade blows with a "serious" Saitama, whereas a completely casual Saitama dodged Flash's attacks like nothing. Plus again, if we're going to claim MG was going full power then Flash's durability also jumps to Planet level.

This is what I'm fine with. "At least Massively Hypersonic+ (Able to defeat Awakened Garou, who is far faster than regular Garou, who viewed high end A-Classes as practically frozen. Much faster than Darkshine, who can somewhat keep up with Bang, who's able to blitz Dragon levels. Was the only S-Class who's speed impressed Garou, and managed to dodge a few casual attacks of his before getting blitzed)". Maybe a "likely/possibly higher" could work too.
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I never claimed that Garou was going full power with Flashy Flash I said that Garou was holding back against Flashy Flash in there fight, I even posted Garou's statement on the matter so that's why I added in Unknown speed for Flashy Flash cause there no real quantifiable way to judge Flashy Flash's speed.

Also if we take LordXcano calc seriously then Flashy Flash would be sub-relativistic though I'm not sure if we accepted it or not due to the whole stopwatch fiasco.

I'm okay with MHS+ Flashy Flash all things considered
 
I'm pretty sure that Suiryu calc got debunked.

The stopwatch feat is like Mach 5. That's just been discarded as a low end outlier.
 
Spoiler:


According to Chapter 92 storyboards, Orochi will display some abilities finally (Technique Mimicry *already added*, Possible Fire Manipulation, Possible Shapeshifting - Partial Transformation in particular) & for Garou Heat Resistance might end up on his profile. - Can shapeshifting be added to Orochi since it's confirmed he transforms his horns into.... dragons??

Cannot wait for the full chapter!
 
FlowSenpai said:
Spoiler:


According to Chapter 92 storyboards, Orochi will display some abilities finally (Technique Mimicry *already added*, Possible Fire Manipulation, Possible Shapeshifting - Partial Transformation in particular) & for Garou Heat Resistance might end up on his profile. - Can shapeshifting be added to Orochi since it's confirmed he transforms his horns into.... dragons??

Cannot wait for the full chapter!
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Well this has gotten me excited for Chapter 92
 
I'm just here to say that the term used in Murata's stream does not refer to 90% of the speed of light. It's "õ║£ÕàëÚǃ", which literally means "sublight speed". No specific value.
 
She doesn't scale to the Top tiers so no

Tatsumaki > Geryuganshoop, so she gets a speed upgrade if he gets an upgrade, with the exception of friction elimination.
 
Tatsumaki is stronger than Geryuganshoop, but she cannot toss objects as fast as him. That is directly what Murata says. She explicitly couldn't perform his feat. No upgrade for her.
 
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Tatsumaki is stronger than Geryuganshoop, but she cannot toss objects as fast as him. That is directly what Murata says. She explicitly couldn't perform his feat. No upgrade for her.
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He said she cannot toss objects as fast as him because they will disintegrate since she cannot remove friction/air resistance. He implies that she could in a vacuum by directly stating she has greater psychic output and emphasizes the restrictions of not being able to remove friction/air resistance are the reasons for her limitations.
 
Geryuganshoop has an ability that allows him to throw things at a certain speed. Tatsumaki lacks this ability, and therefore cannot throw things at such speeds.

Why on earth would this upgrade her? We're literally upgrading Tatsumaki based on something she can't do.

Sure if she had Geryuganshoop's ability to disregard friction she'd be able to it. But that's like saying Saitama could fly if he had flight, therefore let's give him flight on his profile. We're not going to give someone a power they don't have.
 
She's limited by the medium that she is fighting in. This isn't about a difference like flight vs super jump. Murata states, "If Tatsumaki throws rocks like he does, her output will be too powerful, the temperature increase due to friction and pressure, and evaporate the rocks in an instant." She can throw it at sublight speeds, but her objects will disintegrate unless she's fighting in a vacuum. I think the upgrade should be put on her page, but with a note saying, "can only throw at sublight speeds in a vacuum"
 
Also this isn't about something she can't do, this about something she can only do in certain circumstances.

Saitama will never fly regardless of the circumstances, but Tatsumaki can throw objects at sublight speeds in certain circumstances.
 
"But his ability to control flying object should be above Tatsumaki, because he can eliminate the friction between rocks and air."

  • Geryuganshoop is explicitly faster than Tatsumaki, due to him having an ability she lacks.
"If Tatsumaki throws rocks like he does, her output will be too powerful, the temperature increase due to friction and pressure, and evaporate the rocks in an instant."

  • So we establish she cannot throw rocks at this speed.
"Geryuganshoop's psychokinesis can eliminate the friction between objects and air, the rocks will fly at sub-light speed"

  • Geryuganshoop has an ability that allows him to eliminate friction, therefore it'll go this fast.
"Tatsumaki can throw very large objects, but there's a limit to how fast she can throw them. Geryuganshoop is the greatest psychic in the universe after all."

  • Further confirmation that she cannot do this, and that Geryuganshoop is above her in this regard.
Conclusion, Geryuganshoop can do things Tatsumaki can't, do to him having a power she doesn't have. You know what he never actually says. He never once says she could go at sub-light speed if she was in a vacuum. All he says is that he can and she can't.

But even then, we don't base someone's stats on some hypothetical ideal setting they've never underwent. Again, if Saitama was in an anti-gravity chamber, he'd be able to float up. We're not going to given him "flight if he's inside an anti-gravity chamber".

Saitama can't fly. Tatsumaki can't throw stuff at sub-light speed. We don't list abilities people can't do. Even if they hypothetically could do this in some perfect environment.
 
@Kep We know that. But does "sublight" really mean 90-100% lightspeed in this context or no?
 
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