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INTRODUCTION
So… it’s time to revise the lower tiers. There are few problems with the current scaling. Namely, many heroes are lumped in the same tier, putting the likes of base Gearsper and Golden Ball side by side with every monster from Tongue-Stretcher to Personification of A Light Pull cord, when it is clear from the feats and in-verse scaling that there are substantial differences between these tiers. Plus, there are a few new calcs to consider for A-class level.
The biggest problem with low-tier current scaling is that it throws c-class, b-class, most wolf levels, most tiger levels and even some a-class all in the same 9-A tier for the same reason: they should all upscale from a police officer, who survived this 9-B+ feat. (https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:TheRustyOne/One_Punch_Man:_Surprise_Attack).
It also groups many relatively unproven A-class heroes into High 8-C, implying they are all at least comparable to Kombu Infinity. I strongly doubt this is the case for many of the heroes currently in High 8-C, given how Kombu Infinity easily crushed a decent A-class hero like Golden Ball.
The first problem with that is that we never did upscaling that way, the feat in question one-shotted a police officer- if we upscale characters from that attack we are not only saying they can all one-shot any given police officer but also that they scale even higher. I don’t think every c-class hero could one-shot a police officer with a fraction of their power, we know that a stronger wolf-level threat like Piggy Bancon was capable of such a thing (and not with so much ease) so characters below that level should not be considered equal, let alone considerably superior to the feat.
For tiger level threats and a-class heroes, I could understand that logic but that leads into the second problem: there’s a clear difference between your average featless c-class hero and your average featless tiger, putting all these groups in the same tier is categorically misleading.
Let's get into the five main low-level tiers and their suggested new rankings.
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TIERS
Baseline C-class level: at least 9-C.
(Justification)- Even the weakest c-class heroes had to pass the hero exam, outperforming hundreds or even thousands of athletic humans- so it is not enough to be an average weightlifter or street boxer, you need to be a one-in-a-thousand athlete. All c-class heroes are also expected to handle low level criminals on a weekly basis in order to maintain their ranking and Mid-ranked c-class heroes like Suspenders and D-pad have been shown outmaneuvering and overpowering multiple athletic criminals at the same time.)
(Who scales)- Base Gearsper, Tanktop Tiger, Armored Chief Clerk
Baseline Wolf and B-class level: At least 9-C, likely 9-B.
(Justification)- Categorically superior to C-class heroes, wolf level threats pose a threat to entire groups of civilians and pose difficulties for the police, some wolf level threats have shown to be bullet-resistant (Angry Grandpa). Most B-class and wolf levels are likely to be 9-B because: both Piggy Bancon and the Deep Sea Messenger have 9-B feats, Darkness blade is comparable to a massive bear which is also wall level and any characters almost comparable to Piggy Bancon would be able to KO child saitama who had 9-B durability. B-class heroes must be at least as strong as the weakest Wolf level threats to function as heroes. Not all wolf-level threats and b-class heroes can replicate Surprise Attack Plum's feat of KOing cops, at least that's not proven. A stronger wolf level, Piggy Bancon, managed to do so but there's no guarantee Tongue Stretcher or other wolf levels could.
(Who scales)- Tongue Stretcher, Tanktop Black Hole, Lily, Mumen Rider (via his performance against wolf-level angry grandpa in the audiobooks).
Darkness Blade should be 9-B, via being comparable to a very large bear in the numbers chapter (759 Darkness blade vs 901 bear). Considerably weaker polar bears are 9-B.
Piggy Bancon should be downgraded to 9-B+, he did knock out some police officers but should not scale above Surprise Attack Plum.
Baseline Tiger and A-class level: at least 9-B+, likely higher.
(Justification)- Tiger level monsters are categorically superior to wolf level threats like Piggy Bancon and the Sea Folk Messenger. A-class heroes must be capable of engaging and defeating tiger level threats on a daily basis.
(Who scales)- Personification of A Pull-Light Cord for tiger levels, Narcisstoic, One-Shotter, Shadow Ring, Golden Ball, Feather, Needlestar, Captain Mizuki, Chain-N-Toad. Child Emperor’s physicals should also be in this tier, but with a possibly 8-B since the Okame mask rated him as superior to Stinger (this is a “possibly” because the mask accounts for physical AND mental development).
Doubtlessly there are multiple a-class feats that reach into 9-A, so it will be worth calcing various feats to definitively upgrade some of these characters.
Superfight level: No major changes at present for superfight exclusive characters, but there is a recalc pending here that may change that if evaluated: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:El_Beyonder//_One_Punch_Man_-_Dave_makes_a_big_crater. Bakuzan should upscale to the new near-s-class level tier.
Kombu Level: Spring Mustachio’s tier should be changed to 8-C, High 8-C with tomboy (strong enough to deflect Kombu normally for a time, able to pierce Kombu Infinity with Tomboy)
Now for the baseline demons, they’re getting a slight buff because of this 8-B tiger level calc: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Ourosboros/Sky_Folk_Explosions:_Tiger_Level_Feats. The sky folk should get their own page for scaling purposes, sandbox here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Ourosboros/sandbox.
So the justifications will have to be changed for the baseline demons, like Great Food Tub, Pureblood, Scaledon, etc.
Near-S-class Level: 8-B
Heroes that are what you might call “above tiger” or “near s-class level” to quote Sitch, should obviously be a cut above tiger level, these are heroes who have been shown to be superior to tigers and even somewhat competitive with weaker demons.
(Who scales?) Zombieman’s physique (but not durability! His durability should be unknown to account for inconsistencies) downscales from Pureblood via their blade clashing, so he should be 8-B. Stinger and Lightning Genji were able to harm Grizzly Nyah, so they should downscale as well, Great Philosopher and Heavy Tank Fundoshi should also scale to lower end 8-B via being A) superior to Stinger and B) near s-class level according to Sitch respectively. Lightning Max and Snek should also be 8-B, assuming each of the three crows is 1/3rd of baseline demon, because they one-shotted these crows and 1/3rd of 34 tons = 11 tons, baseline 8-B. Human Bakuzan should also scale, being a previous superfight winner and presumably superior to Snek (who usually comes in fourth).
So… it’s time to revise the lower tiers. There are few problems with the current scaling. Namely, many heroes are lumped in the same tier, putting the likes of base Gearsper and Golden Ball side by side with every monster from Tongue-Stretcher to Personification of A Light Pull cord, when it is clear from the feats and in-verse scaling that there are substantial differences between these tiers. Plus, there are a few new calcs to consider for A-class level.
The biggest problem with low-tier current scaling is that it throws c-class, b-class, most wolf levels, most tiger levels and even some a-class all in the same 9-A tier for the same reason: they should all upscale from a police officer, who survived this 9-B+ feat. (https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:TheRustyOne/One_Punch_Man:_Surprise_Attack).
It also groups many relatively unproven A-class heroes into High 8-C, implying they are all at least comparable to Kombu Infinity. I strongly doubt this is the case for many of the heroes currently in High 8-C, given how Kombu Infinity easily crushed a decent A-class hero like Golden Ball.
The first problem with that is that we never did upscaling that way, the feat in question one-shotted a police officer- if we upscale characters from that attack we are not only saying they can all one-shot any given police officer but also that they scale even higher. I don’t think every c-class hero could one-shot a police officer with a fraction of their power, we know that a stronger wolf-level threat like Piggy Bancon was capable of such a thing (and not with so much ease) so characters below that level should not be considered equal, let alone considerably superior to the feat.
For tiger level threats and a-class heroes, I could understand that logic but that leads into the second problem: there’s a clear difference between your average featless c-class hero and your average featless tiger, putting all these groups in the same tier is categorically misleading.
Let's get into the five main low-level tiers and their suggested new rankings.
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TIERS
Baseline C-class level: at least 9-C.
(Justification)- Even the weakest c-class heroes had to pass the hero exam, outperforming hundreds or even thousands of athletic humans- so it is not enough to be an average weightlifter or street boxer, you need to be a one-in-a-thousand athlete. All c-class heroes are also expected to handle low level criminals on a weekly basis in order to maintain their ranking and Mid-ranked c-class heroes like Suspenders and D-pad have been shown outmaneuvering and overpowering multiple athletic criminals at the same time.)
(Who scales)- Base Gearsper, Tanktop Tiger, Armored Chief Clerk
Baseline Wolf and B-class level: At least 9-C, likely 9-B.
(Justification)- Categorically superior to C-class heroes, wolf level threats pose a threat to entire groups of civilians and pose difficulties for the police, some wolf level threats have shown to be bullet-resistant (Angry Grandpa). Most B-class and wolf levels are likely to be 9-B because: both Piggy Bancon and the Deep Sea Messenger have 9-B feats, Darkness blade is comparable to a massive bear which is also wall level and any characters almost comparable to Piggy Bancon would be able to KO child saitama who had 9-B durability. B-class heroes must be at least as strong as the weakest Wolf level threats to function as heroes. Not all wolf-level threats and b-class heroes can replicate Surprise Attack Plum's feat of KOing cops, at least that's not proven. A stronger wolf level, Piggy Bancon, managed to do so but there's no guarantee Tongue Stretcher or other wolf levels could.
(Who scales)- Tongue Stretcher, Tanktop Black Hole, Lily, Mumen Rider (via his performance against wolf-level angry grandpa in the audiobooks).
Darkness Blade should be 9-B, via being comparable to a very large bear in the numbers chapter (759 Darkness blade vs 901 bear). Considerably weaker polar bears are 9-B.
Piggy Bancon should be downgraded to 9-B+, he did knock out some police officers but should not scale above Surprise Attack Plum.
Baseline Tiger and A-class level: at least 9-B+, likely higher.
(Justification)- Tiger level monsters are categorically superior to wolf level threats like Piggy Bancon and the Sea Folk Messenger. A-class heroes must be capable of engaging and defeating tiger level threats on a daily basis.
(Who scales)- Personification of A Pull-Light Cord for tiger levels, Narcisstoic, One-Shotter, Shadow Ring, Golden Ball, Feather, Needlestar, Captain Mizuki, Chain-N-Toad. Child Emperor’s physicals should also be in this tier, but with a possibly 8-B since the Okame mask rated him as superior to Stinger (this is a “possibly” because the mask accounts for physical AND mental development).
Doubtlessly there are multiple a-class feats that reach into 9-A, so it will be worth calcing various feats to definitively upgrade some of these characters.
Superfight level: No major changes at present for superfight exclusive characters, but there is a recalc pending here that may change that if evaluated: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:El_Beyonder//_One_Punch_Man_-_Dave_makes_a_big_crater. Bakuzan should upscale to the new near-s-class level tier.
Kombu Level: Spring Mustachio’s tier should be changed to 8-C, High 8-C with tomboy (strong enough to deflect Kombu normally for a time, able to pierce Kombu Infinity with Tomboy)
Now for the baseline demons, they’re getting a slight buff because of this 8-B tiger level calc: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Ourosboros/Sky_Folk_Explosions:_Tiger_Level_Feats. The sky folk should get their own page for scaling purposes, sandbox here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Ourosboros/sandbox.
So the justifications will have to be changed for the baseline demons, like Great Food Tub, Pureblood, Scaledon, etc.
Near-S-class Level: 8-B
Heroes that are what you might call “above tiger” or “near s-class level” to quote Sitch, should obviously be a cut above tiger level, these are heroes who have been shown to be superior to tigers and even somewhat competitive with weaker demons.
(Who scales?) Zombieman’s physique (but not durability! His durability should be unknown to account for inconsistencies) downscales from Pureblood via their blade clashing, so he should be 8-B. Stinger and Lightning Genji were able to harm Grizzly Nyah, so they should downscale as well, Great Philosopher and Heavy Tank Fundoshi should also scale to lower end 8-B via being A) superior to Stinger and B) near s-class level according to Sitch respectively. Lightning Max and Snek should also be 8-B, assuming each of the three crows is 1/3rd of baseline demon, because they one-shotted these crows and 1/3rd of 34 tons = 11 tons, baseline 8-B. Human Bakuzan should also scale, being a previous superfight winner and presumably superior to Snek (who usually comes in fourth).
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