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One Punch Man - Low 5-B downgrades

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Kachon123 said:
You clearly didn't hear what I said. The only type of energy it could be is thermal energy, which doesn't work. This means that Orochi can turn magma into blasts,
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Why would it be the only type of energy? Except it was very clearly not magma being pulled by Orochi but energy..it doesn't burn anything along the way

Kachon123 said:
It doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to say that he can do that considering he can get energy from the core of the earth, and how he can also absorb lifeforms to become stronger as well.
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Dont see any coorelation between what you said and converting magma into blast..which isn't even magma blast but standard energy blast lol
 
technically he could've absorbed the magma and transformed it into energy to blast saitama with. Kinda like kirby does or how we generally use food for nutrients which give us energy to function.

Saying that that liquid ball which is clearly the same color as the core and one that also bends lava around it is just energy is seriously weird. you say it is not magma yet it causes erruptions and earthquakes, something that a moving ball of magma would cause, not something that barely tangible energy would do.

"Why would it be the only type of energy?" then what else would it be bro? Ki? Chakra? freaking wind energy? oh wait, electricity?
Cause there's only one type of energy we can get from the core of the earth and it is thermal energy which clearly doesn't look like a bright ball.

Also, it doesn't burn anything in it's way? Why would it? it is literally in the earth and all of the earth besides the crust is a layer of magma, there's nothing to burn as it is already burning constantly. The crust didn't burn up because he absorbed it through the tail, not to mention that they were already really deep underground to the point where there was a lava pool there.
 
My_area said:
Why would it be the only type of energy?
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What do you mean? The only energy that the core of the earth producec is geothermal energy... which is just the heat inside the earth. It is thermal energy. If yu were to make an argument, you should at least know this...
My_area said:
Except it was very clearly not magma being pulled by Orochi but energy..it doesn't burn anything along the way
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What? I'm not sure if you are purposefully acting this way, or just ignorant. What is magma going to burn? The Mantle???
My_area said:
nor does it appear like magma when Orochi was absorbing it.
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Please reread the chapter. We never saw what happened when he was absorbing it. This is all we saw in chronological order: 1. Orochi dove his tail down, 2. Orochi pulls a part of the core up, Orochi is about to shoot the Cannon. Never once in the chapter did it show how Orochi absorbed it, or how it looked like.
My_area said:
Dont see any coorelation between what you said and converting magma into blast..which isn't even magma blast but standard energy blast lol
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Ok lol.
 
I don't know tbh. But I'm not sure if energy mishappens the crust like what is shown.

In the scenario the whatever pull is thrown out the window or whatever. Orochi can still scale to the High 6-B earthquake he did.
 
Arceus0x said:
technically he could've absorbed the magma and transformed it into energy to blast saitama with. Kinda like kirby does or how we generally use food for nutrients which give us energy to function.

Saying that that liquid ball which is clearly the same color as the core and one that also bends lava around it is just energy is seriously weird. you say it is not magma yet it causes erruptions and earthquakes, something that a moving ball of magma would cause, not something that barely tangible energy would do.
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But there is no indication that he absorbed the magma and then transformed it into the energy, it requires more assumptions with little to no evidence supporting it + opposite to what Orochi is stating. Kirby nor us just absorb the energy and redirect it in a different form of energy..

But its not a liquid ball..its a ball of energy which is being pulled by Orochi as he needed energy from the core so he would use that and release it against Saitama, bend lava around? Its causing magma and earthquakes because the energy is literally moving from the core and making it way to the surface disturbing the internal system henceforth its effect showing up in outside world. Why would it barely tangible when its interacting with physical world?
Arceus0x said:
Why would it be the only type of energy?" then what else would it be bro? Ki? Chakra? freaking wind energy? oh wait, electricity?
Cause there's only one type of energy we can get from the core of the earth and it is thermal energy which clearly doesn't look like a bright ball.

Also, it doesn't burn anything in it's way? Why would it? it is literally in the earth and all of the earth besides the crust is a layer of magma, there's nothing to burn as it is already burning constantly. The crust didn't burn up because he absorbed it through the tail, not to mention that they were already really deep underground to the point where there was a lava pool there.
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Could be any different energy considering its treated differently and not like how thermal energy works. It could actually be like ki, chakra etc due to way it got absorbed then it amped Orochi up and he then uses to fire the blast to Saitama. Eh are you sure we can get just 1 form of energy from bottom of the Earth?

Because it made its movement upward towards the surface before its absorbed by tail so it would naturally burn up anything along the way like the whole crust distance it covered..yet it only passed through it unlike that of magma, we can see when energy was being siped that it does cover considerable distance so tail clearly wasn't THAT DOWN. Yeah sure there was lava pool there but there was stlll considerable amount of crust down the lava pool so not exactly close to layers of core.

Kachon123 said:
What do you mean? The only energy that the core of the earth producec is geothermal energy... which is just the heat inside the earth. It is thermal energy. If yu were to make an argument, you should at least know this...
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Sure no other kind of energy is exhibited there? I already told you my knowledge in energy isn't that good so while I am arguing that, I could very much be wrong for the specific portion of the argument.
Kachon123 said:
What? I'm not sure if you are purposefully acting this way, or just ignorant. What is magma going to burn? The Mantle???
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I am dead serious. Crust and all the ground as it traverses towards the surface
Kachon123 said:
Please reread the chapter. We never saw what happened when he was absorbing it. This is all we saw in chronological order: 1. Orochi dove his tail down, 2. Orochi pulls a part of the core up, Orochi is about to shoot the Cannon. Never once in the chapter did it show how Orochi absorbed it, or how it looked like.
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I scrapped that part, my bad. I already reread the chapter before I posted my argument, which is where my scan comes from
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
I don't know tbh. But I'm not sure if energy mishappens the crust like what is shown.

In the scenario the whatever pull is thrown out the window or whatever. Orochi can still scale to the High 6-B planet shake he did.
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I thought it was 6-A that we accepted?
 
My_area said:
It could actually be like ki, chakra etc due to way it got absorbed then it amped Orochi up and he then uses to fire the blast to Saitama
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No it couldn't.
My_area said:
Eh are you sure we can get just 1 form of energy from bottom of the Earth
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Yes. It's called Geothermal energy, a type of thermal energy.
My_area said:
I am dead serious. Crust and all the ground as it traverses towards the surface
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It the magma that Orochi pulled up only reached up to him. Right under Orochi and Saitama was the mantle. We know that because we see where the pull ended here. The mantle is a semi-solid, meaning that the magma could still flow through, especially given that it was moving at MHS+ speeds.
 
That was before Uskla's new calc was posted. You're probably talknig about the one Qawsedf made with Uskla's method
 
Kachon123 said:
No it couldn't
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Reason being?
Kachon123 said:
Yes. It's called Geothermal energy, a type of thermal energy.
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Okay, though there are more source of energy in underground though, not to level of core yeah.
Kachon123 said:
It the magma that Orochi pulled up only reached up to him. Right under Orochi and Saitama was the mantle. We know that because we see where the pull ended here. The mantle is a semi-solid, meaning that the magma could still flow through, especially given that it was moving at MHS+ speeds.
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The pull didn't end here, your scan just shows how much it progressed, not that it ended there. Yeah its semi solid and magma could flow through doesn't mean it wouldn't burn the surrounding mantle along the way if literally portion of core is making its way there, it would bound to heat and melt the mantle due to its sheer temperature alone which is nowhere to be seen when "magma" is pulled up.
 
Zc3gkTL.png

  • Distance = 5155 km = 249 px
5155 / 249 = 20.702811245 m/px
Land displacement:
  • Height = 137.9 px = 2854.917 km
  • Diameter = 29.8 px = 616.94 km (308.47 km)
I wanted to use the volume of a cone, I think it's the best thing that fits here:
  • Volume = 2.8447753201121369932648675533814e+17 m³
For density, I will use the average between them, which are:
  1. Upper mantle: 3.4 - 4.4 g/cm³ (3.9 g/cm³)
  2. Mantle: 3.4 - 5.6 g/cm³ (4.5 g/cm³)
  3. Outer core: 9.9 - 12.2 g/cm³ (11.05 g/cm³)
  • Media = 6.48 g/cm³
Mass = 1.8434144e+21 kg (Class Z)

Even disregarding that what Orochi pulled was not the core, it still affected the other layers of the earth.
 
My_area said:
Okay, though there are more source of energy in underground though, not to level of core yeah.

The pull didn't end here, your scan just shows how much it progressed, not that it ended there. Yeah its semi solid and magma could flow through doesn't mean it wouldn't burn the surrounding mantle along the way if literally portion of core is making its way there, it would bound to heat and melt the mantle due to its sheer temperature alone which is nowhere to be seen when "magma" is pulled up.
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1. There isn't. Unless we wanna go into complete BS territory and assume he brought up some magical energy from the earth despite Murata clearly drawing the layer's of the earth's insides for a reason, the only type of energy he could've used it Geothermal. What is thermal energy? the movement of atoms. Movement of atoms doesn't look like a giant white sphere, but you know what does? overly heated metal.

2. there is no evidence to suggest that it moved past the beginning of the mantle. Also the heat of the core isn't hot enough to burn through 70 kilometers worth of stone, it is only 5500C which is good enough to vaporize iron and stone, yes, but not 70km worth of it. You'd need millions of degrees to do even a portion of that. If just the core's heat was enough to melt through 70km of rock then nukes should have melted the earth all the way to the core as the heat inside of a nuclear explosion is up to 100 mil C.
And yet again, we see a ball that looks exactly like the stuff in the core get pulled out of it and then pulled up. This is our argument as there is nothing else you can pull out of the core and geothermal energy doesn't look like that. Your whole argument stands on this one time Orochi said the word energy.
 
USklaverei said:
Zc3gkTL.png

  • Distance = 5155 km = 249 px
5155 / 249 = 20.702811245 m/px
Land displacement:
  • Height = 137.9 px = 2854.917 km
  • Diameter = 29.8 px = 616.94 km (308.47 km)
I wanted to use the volume of a cone, I think it's the best thing that fits here:
  • Volume = 2.8447753201121369932648675533814e+17 m³
For density, I will use the average between them, which are:
  1. Upper mantle: 3.4 - 4.4 g/cm³ (3.9 g/cm³)
  2. Mantle: 3.4 - 5.6 g/cm³ (4.5 g/cm³)
  3. Outer core: 9.9 - 12.2 g/cm³ (11.05 g/cm³)
  • Media = 6.48 g/cm³
Mass = 1.8434144e+21 kg (Class Z)

Even disregarding that what Orochi pulled was not the core, it still affected the other layers of the earth.
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Well that's nice
 
USklaverei said:
Zc3gkTL.png

  • Distance = 5155 km = 249 px
5155 / 249 = 20.702811245 m/px
Land displacement:
  • Height = 137.9 px = 2854.917 km
  • Diameter = 29.8 px = 616.94 km (308.47 km)
I wanted to use the volume of a cone, I think it's the best thing that fits here:
  • Volume = 2.8447753201121369932648675533814e+17 m³
For density, I will use the average between them, which are:
  1. Upper mantle: 3.4 - 4.4 g/cm³ (3.9 g/cm³)
  2. Mantle: 3.4 - 5.6 g/cm³ (4.5 g/cm³)
  3. Outer core: 9.9 - 12.2 g/cm³ (11.05 g/cm³)
  • Media = 6.48 g/cm³
Mass = 1.8434144e+21 kg (Class Z)

Even disregarding that what Orochi pulled was not the core, it still affected the other layers of the earth.
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Looks good.
 
Idk if anyone suggested this yet, but why use KE? Not only do we just slap on an assumed timeframe but the KE from the tier 5 calc would do more damage than shown.
From the KE page:
  • There is a destruction/AP calculation contradicting a kinetic energy calculation. The destruction/AP calculation would take priority over the kinetic energy calculation in this case as the AP calculation would be a better proof in regards to how much damage he/she is capable of in an attack.
    • For example, if a character launches a 200kg metal ball against a common wall at Mach 300, but the wall remains largely undamaged, the energy required to cause the minor damage on the wall would take priority over the kinetic energy derived from speed in this case.

Since the tier 5 results literally go against our KE standards, I think calculating the damage done to the inner cores is a much better option because we actually see what happens.
 
Zamasu_Chan said:
Idk if anyone suggested this yet, but why use KE? Not only do we just slap on an assumed timeframe but the KE from the tier 5 calc would do more damage than shown.
From the KE page:
  • There is a destruction/AP calculation contradicting a kinetic energy calculation. The destruction/AP calculation would take priority over the kinetic energy calculation in this case as the AP calculation would be a better proof in regards to how much damage he/she is capable of in an attack.
    • For example, if a character launches a 200kg metal ball against a common wall at Mach 300, but the wall remains largely undamaged, the energy required to cause the minor damage on the wall would take priority over the kinetic energy derived from speed in this case.

Since the tier 5 results literally go against our KE standards, I think calculating the damage done to the inner cores is a much better option because we actually see what happens.
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I agree with zamasu
 
Zamasu_Chan said:
Idk if anyone suggested this yet, but why use KE? Not only do we just slap on an assumed timeframe but the KE from the tier 5 calc would do more damage than shown.
From the KE page:
  • There is a destruction/AP calculation contradicting a kinetic energy calculation. The destruction/AP calculation would take priority over the kinetic energy calculation in this case as the AP calculation would be a better proof in regards to how much damage he/she is capable of in an attack.
    • For example, if a character launches a 200kg metal ball against a common wall at Mach 300, but the wall remains largely undamaged, the energy required to cause the minor damage on the wall would take priority over the kinetic energy derived from speed in this case.

Since the tier 5 results literally go against our KE standards, I think calculating the damage done to the inner cores is a much better option because we actually see what happens.
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I agree with this
 
I was going to bring up what Zamasu said, buuuuuuuut mans beat me to it.
 
And does anyone have any idea how to do this? I just think of something similar to something the guy said about friction and the like.
 
Zamasu_Chan said:
Idk if anyone suggested this yet, but why use KE? Not only do we just slap on an assumed timeframe but the KE from the tier 5 calc would do more damage than shown.
From the KE page:
  • There is a destruction/AP calculation contradicting a kinetic energy calculation. The destruction/AP calculation would take priority over the kinetic energy calculation in this case as the AP calculation would be a better proof in regards to how much damage he/she is capable of in an attack.
    • For example, if a character launches a 200kg metal ball against a common wall at Mach 300, but the wall remains largely undamaged, the energy required to cause the minor damage on the wall would take priority over the kinetic energy derived from speed in this case.

Since the tier 5 results literally go against our KE standards, I think calculating the damage done to the inner cores is a much better option because we actually see what happens.
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The GOAT making an amazing point
 
USklaverei said:
By the way, we have a way to find Orochi's LS.

About the AP thing, he must have High 6-A, higher with Canon Gaia, he pulling energy is not the attack, it's just him pulling energy to do the attack, he had to absorb all that energy High 6-A (what ever it scales for).
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It's not energyyyyyyy
 
Zamasu_Chan said:
Idk if anyone suggested this yet, but why use KE? Not only do we just slap on an assumed timeframe but the KE from the tier 5 calc would do more damage than shown.
From the KE page:
  • There is a destruction/AP calculation contradicting a kinetic energy calculation. The destruction/AP calculation would take priority over the kinetic energy calculation in this case as the AP calculation would be a better proof in regards to how much damage he/she is capable of in an attack.
    • For example, if a character launches a 200kg metal ball against a common wall at Mach 300, but the wall remains largely undamaged, the energy required to cause the minor damage on the wall would take priority over the kinetic energy derived from speed in this case.

Since the tier 5 results literally go against our KE standards, I think calculating the damage done to the inner cores is a much better option because we actually see what happens.
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U cute bro.
 
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