One Punch Man - Low 5-B downgrades

[My_area]

You clearly didn't hear what I said. The only type of energy it could be is thermal energy, which doesn't work. This means that Orochi can turn magma into blasts,

Why would it be the only type of energy? Except it was very clearly not magma being pulled by Orochi but energy..it doesn't burn anything along the way

It doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to say that he can do that considering he can get energy from the core of the earth, and how he can also absorb lifeforms to become stronger as well.

Dont see any coorelation between what you said and converting magma into blast..which isn't even magma blast but standard energy blast lol

 

[Arceus0x]

technically he could've absorbed the magma and transformed it into energy to blast saitama with. Kinda like kirby does or how we generally use food for nutrients which give us energy to function.

Saying that that liquid ball which is clearly the same color as the core and one that also bends lava around it is just energy is seriously weird. you say it is not magma yet it causes erruptions and earthquakes, something that a moving ball of magma would cause, not something that barely tangible energy would do.

"Why would it be the only type of energy?" then what else would it be bro? Ki? Chakra? freaking wind energy? oh wait, electricity?
Cause there's only one type of energy we can get from the core of the earth and it is thermal energy which clearly doesn't look like a bright ball.

Also, it doesn't burn anything in it's way? Why would it? it is literally in the earth and all of the earth besides the crust is a layer of magma, there's nothing to burn as it is already burning constantly. The crust didn't burn up because he absorbed it through the tail, not to mention that they were already really deep underground to the point where there was a lava pool there.

 

[Kachon123]

Why would it be the only type of energy?

What do you mean? The only energy that the core of the earth producec is geothermal energy... which is just the heat inside the earth. It is thermal energy. If yu were to make an argument, you should at least know this...

Except it was very clearly not magma being pulled by Orochi but energy..it doesn't burn anything along the way

What? I'm not sure if you are purposefully acting this way, or just ignorant. What is magma going to burn? The Mantle???

nor does it appear like magma when Orochi was absorbing it.

Please reread the chapter. We never saw what happened when he was absorbing it. This is all we saw in chronological order: 1. Orochi dove his tail down, 2. Orochi pulls a part of the core up, Orochi is about to shoot the Cannon. Never once in the chapter did it show how Orochi absorbed it, or how it looked like.

Dont see any coorelation between what you said and converting magma into blast..which isn't even magma blast but standard energy blast lol

Ok lol.

 

[Kachon123]

Hey Emirp, if you are here, what are your thoughts on wether it's energy or not?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I don't know tbh. But I'm not sure if energy mishappens the crust like what is shown.

In the scenario the whatever pull is thrown out the window or whatever. Orochi can still scale to the High 6-B earthquake he did.

 

[My_area]

technically he could've absorbed the magma and transformed it into energy to blast saitama with. Kinda like kirby does or how we generally use food for nutrients which give us energy to function.

Saying that that liquid ball which is clearly the same color as the core and one that also bends lava around it is just energy is seriously weird. you say it is not magma yet it causes erruptions and earthquakes, something that a moving ball of magma would cause, not something that barely tangible energy would do.

But there is no indication that he absorbed the magma and then transformed it into the energy, it requires more assumptions with little to no evidence supporting it + opposite to what Orochi is stating. Kirby nor us just absorb the energy and redirect it in a different form of energy..

But its not a liquid ball..its a ball of energy which is being pulled by Orochi as he needed energy from the core so he would use that and release it against Saitama, bend lava around? Its causing magma and earthquakes because the energy is literally moving from the core and making it way to the surface disturbing the internal system henceforth its effect showing up in outside world. Why would it barely tangible when its interacting with physical world?

Why would it be the only type of energy?" then what else would it be bro? Ki? Chakra? freaking wind energy? oh wait, electricity?
Cause there's only one type of energy we can get from the core of the earth and it is thermal energy which clearly doesn't look like a bright ball.

Also, it doesn't burn anything in it's way? Why would it? it is literally in the earth and all of the earth besides the crust is a layer of magma, there's nothing to burn as it is already burning constantly. The crust didn't burn up because he absorbed it through the tail, not to mention that they were already really deep underground to the point where there was a lava pool there.

Could be any different energy considering its treated differently and not like how thermal energy works. It could actually be like ki, chakra etc due to way it got absorbed then it amped Orochi up and he then uses to fire the blast to Saitama. Eh are you sure we can get just 1 form of energy from bottom of the Earth?

Because it made its movement upward towards the surface before its absorbed by tail so it would naturally burn up anything along the way like the whole crust distance it covered..yet it only passed through it unlike that of magma, we can see when energy was being siped that it does cover considerable distance so tail clearly wasn't THAT DOWN. Yeah sure there was lava pool there but there was stlll considerable amount of crust down the lava pool so not exactly close to layers of core.

What do you mean? The only energy that the core of the earth producec is geothermal energy... which is just the heat inside the earth. It is thermal energy. If yu were to make an argument, you should at least know this...

Sure no other kind of energy is exhibited there? I already told you my knowledge in energy isn't that good so while I am arguing that, I could very much be wrong for the specific portion of the argument.

What? I'm not sure if you are purposefully acting this way, or just ignorant. What is magma going to burn? The Mantle???

I am dead serious. Crust and all the ground as it traverses towards the surface

Please reread the chapter. We never saw what happened when he was absorbing it. This is all we saw in chronological order: 1. Orochi dove his tail down, 2. Orochi pulls a part of the core up, Orochi is about to shoot the Cannon. Never once in the chapter did it show how Orochi absorbed it, or how it looked like.

I scrapped that part, my bad. I already reread the chapter before I posted my argument, which is where my scan comes from

 

[Kachon123]

I don't know tbh. But I'm not sure if energy mishappens the crust like what is shown.

In the scenario the whatever pull is thrown out the window or whatever. Orochi can still scale to the High 6-B planet shake he did.

I thought it was 6-A that we accepted?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I thought it was 6-A that we accepted?

Talking about this: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...Earth_energy#Causing_earthquake_on_the_planet

 

[Kachon123]

It could actually be like ki, chakra etc due to way it got absorbed then it amped Orochi up and he then uses to fire the blast to Saitama

No it couldn't.

Eh are you sure we can get just 1 form of energy from bottom of the Earth

Yes. It's called Geothermal energy, a type of thermal energy.

I am dead serious. Crust and all the ground as it traverses towards the surface

It the magma that Orochi pulled up only reached up to him. Right under Orochi and Saitama was the mantle. We know that because we see where the pull ended here. The mantle is a semi-solid, meaning that the magma could still flow through, especially given that it was moving at MHS+ speeds.

 

[Kachon123]

Talking about this: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...Earth_energy#Causing_earthquake_on_the_planet

Yeah, It was between that and the DMUA version, which was 6-A. I'm pretty sure we came to the conclusion that we are using the 6-A end.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

But we're using Uskla's calc are we not?

 

[Kachon123]

But we're using Uskla's calc are we not?

It was between the two of them and the majority chose DMUA's version iirc.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

That was before Uskla's new calc was posted. You're probably talknig about the one Qawsedf made with Uskla's method

 

[Kachon123]

Anyways on topic we have full mod support and the majority of user support. 6-A seems like the most generally agreed on term

It was between Usk's High 6-B and DMUA's 6-A version, and majority supported 6-A.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

That was before Uskla posted his new calc...

 

[Kachon123]

That was before Uskla posted his new calc...

Ok, sorry I'm just a bit tired, I haven't slept and it's 6 am over here.

 

[My_area]

No it couldn't

Reason being?

Yes. It's called Geothermal energy, a type of thermal energy.

Okay, though there are more source of energy in underground though, not to level of core yeah.

It the magma that Orochi pulled up only reached up to him. Right under Orochi and Saitama was the mantle. We know that because we see where the pull ended here. The mantle is a semi-solid, meaning that the magma could still flow through, especially given that it was moving at MHS+ speeds.

The pull didn't end here, your scan just shows how much it progressed, not that it ended there. Yeah its semi solid and magma could flow through doesn't mean it wouldn't burn the surrounding mantle along the way if literally portion of core is making its way there, it would bound to heat and melt the mantle due to its sheer temperature alone which is nowhere to be seen when "magma" is pulled up.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Ok, sorry I'm just a bit tired, I haven't slept and it's 6 am over here.

Then go sleep smh :/

 

[My_area]

Then go sleep smh :/

I was thinking of saying that too
But I thought it would be weird

 

[USklaverei]

By the way, we have a way to find Orochi's LS.

About the AP thing, he must have High 6-A, higher with Canon Gaia, he pulling energy is not the attack, it's just him pulling energy to do the attack, he had to absorb all that energy High 6-A (what ever it scales for).

 

[Khuluq]

for dg boros and saitama I think that makes it incompatible with the Boros databook and in the manga it has been shown that saitama's punch is stronger than his crsn boros

and for the orochi drop I chose neutral

 

[USklaverei]

• Distance = 5155 km = 249 px

5155 / 249 = 20.702811245 m/px
Land displacement:

• Height = 137.9 px = 2854.917 km
• Diameter = 29.8 px = 616.94 km (308.47 km)

I wanted to use the volume of a cone, I think it's the best thing that fits here:

• Volume = 2.8447753201121369932648675533814e+17 m³

For density, I will use the average between them, which are:

1. Upper mantle: 3.4 - 4.4 g/cm³ (3.9 g/cm³)
2. Mantle: 3.4 - 5.6 g/cm³ (4.5 g/cm³)
3. Outer core: 9.9 - 12.2 g/cm³ (11.05 g/cm³)

• Media = 6.48 g/cm³

Mass = 1.8434144e+21 kg (Class Z)

Even disregarding that what Orochi pulled was not the core, it still affected the other layers of the earth.

 

[Arceus0x]

Okay, though there are more source of energy in underground though, not to level of core yeah.

The pull didn't end here, your scan just shows how much it progressed, not that it ended there. Yeah its semi solid and magma could flow through doesn't mean it wouldn't burn the surrounding mantle along the way if literally portion of core is making its way there, it would bound to heat and melt the mantle due to its sheer temperature alone which is nowhere to be seen when "magma" is pulled up.

1. There isn't. Unless we wanna go into complete BS territory and assume he brought up some magical energy from the earth despite Murata clearly drawing the layer's of the earth's insides for a reason, the only type of energy he could've used it Geothermal. What is thermal energy? the movement of atoms. Movement of atoms doesn't look like a giant white sphere, but you know what does? overly heated metal.

2. there is no evidence to suggest that it moved past the beginning of the mantle. Also the heat of the core isn't hot enough to burn through 70 kilometers worth of stone, it is only 5500C which is good enough to vaporize iron and stone, yes, but not 70km worth of it. You'd need millions of degrees to do even a portion of that. If just the core's heat was enough to melt through 70km of rock then nukes should have melted the earth all the way to the core as the heat inside of a nuclear explosion is up to 100 mil C.
And yet again, we see a ball that looks exactly like the stuff in the core get pulled out of it and then pulled up. This is our argument as there is nothing else you can pull out of the core and geothermal energy doesn't look like that. Your whole argument stands on this one time Orochi said the word energy.

 

[Arceus0x]

also boys i found it



call up the translation team we gotta fact check

 

[Arceus0x]

btw i see no kanji or letter that means energy here atm

 

[Migue79]

btw i see no kanji or letter that means energy here atm

I checked it and it does say ‘energy’. It’s just written in Katakana.

地球のエネルギー (Energy of the Earth).

 

[Arceus0x]

well at least we got that cleared up. Thanks for the help.

I checked it and it does say ‘energy’. It’s just written in Katakana.

地球のエネルギー (Energy of the Earth).

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

• Distance = 5155 km = 249 px

5155 / 249 = 20.702811245 m/px
Land displacement:

• Height = 137.9 px = 2854.917 km
• Diameter = 29.8 px = 616.94 km (308.47 km)

I wanted to use the volume of a cone, I think it's the best thing that fits here:

• Volume = 2.8447753201121369932648675533814e+17 m³

For density, I will use the average between them, which are:

1. Upper mantle: 3.4 - 4.4 g/cm³ (3.9 g/cm³)
2. Mantle: 3.4 - 5.6 g/cm³ (4.5 g/cm³)
3. Outer core: 9.9 - 12.2 g/cm³ (11.05 g/cm³)

• Media = 6.48 g/cm³

Mass = 1.8434144e+21 kg (Class Z)

Even disregarding that what Orochi pulled was not the core, it still affected the other layers of the earth.

Well that's nice

 

[WrongIdea21]

• Distance = 5155 km = 249 px

5155 / 249 = 20.702811245 m/px
Land displacement:

• Height = 137.9 px = 2854.917 km
• Diameter = 29.8 px = 616.94 km (308.47 km)

I wanted to use the volume of a cone, I think it's the best thing that fits here:

• Volume = 2.8447753201121369932648675533814e+17 m³

For density, I will use the average between them, which are:

1. Upper mantle: 3.4 - 4.4 g/cm³ (3.9 g/cm³)
2. Mantle: 3.4 - 5.6 g/cm³ (4.5 g/cm³)
3. Outer core: 9.9 - 12.2 g/cm³ (11.05 g/cm³)

• Media = 6.48 g/cm³

Mass = 1.8434144e+21 kg (Class Z)

Even disregarding that what Orochi pulled was not the core, it still affected the other layers of the earth.

Looks good.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Idk if anyone suggested this yet, but why use KE? Not only do we just slap on an assumed timeframe but the KE from the tier 5 calc would do more damage than shown.
From the KE page:

• There is a destruction/AP calculation contradicting a kinetic energy calculation. The destruction/AP calculation would take priority over the kinetic energy calculation in this case as the AP calculation would be a better proof in regards to how much damage he/she is capable of in an attack.
  • For example, if a character launches a 200kg metal ball against a common wall at Mach 300, but the wall remains largely undamaged, the energy required to cause the minor damage on the wall would take priority over the kinetic energy derived from speed in this case.

Since the tier 5 results literally go against our KE standards, I think calculating the damage done to the inner cores is a much better option because we actually see what happens.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Idk if anyone suggested this yet, but why use KE? Not only do we just slap on an assumed timeframe but the KE from the tier 5 calc would do more damage than shown.
From the KE page:

• There is a destruction/AP calculation contradicting a kinetic energy calculation. The destruction/AP calculation would take priority over the kinetic energy calculation in this case as the AP calculation would be a better proof in regards to how much damage he/she is capable of in an attack.
  • For example, if a character launches a 200kg metal ball against a common wall at Mach 300, but the wall remains largely undamaged, the energy required to cause the minor damage on the wall would take priority over the kinetic energy derived from speed in this case.

Since the tier 5 results literally go against our KE standards, I think calculating the damage done to the inner cores is a much better option because we actually see what happens.

I agree with zamasu

 

[Arceus0x]

Good point

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Idk if anyone suggested this yet, but why use KE? Not only do we just slap on an assumed timeframe but the KE from the tier 5 calc would do more damage than shown.
From the KE page:

• There is a destruction/AP calculation contradicting a kinetic energy calculation. The destruction/AP calculation would take priority over the kinetic energy calculation in this case as the AP calculation would be a better proof in regards to how much damage he/she is capable of in an attack.
  • For example, if a character launches a 200kg metal ball against a common wall at Mach 300, but the wall remains largely undamaged, the energy required to cause the minor damage on the wall would take priority over the kinetic energy derived from speed in this case.

Since the tier 5 results literally go against our KE standards, I think calculating the damage done to the inner cores is a much better option because we actually see what happens.

I agree with this

 

[Migue79]

I was going to bring up what Zamasu said, buuuuuuuut mans beat me to it.

 

[USklaverei]

And does anyone have any idea how to do this? I just think of something similar to something the guy said about friction and the like.

 

[LordTracer]

Idk if anyone suggested this yet, but why use KE? Not only do we just slap on an assumed timeframe but the KE from the tier 5 calc would do more damage than shown.
From the KE page:

• There is a destruction/AP calculation contradicting a kinetic energy calculation. The destruction/AP calculation would take priority over the kinetic energy calculation in this case as the AP calculation would be a better proof in regards to how much damage he/she is capable of in an attack.
  • For example, if a character launches a 200kg metal ball against a common wall at Mach 300, but the wall remains largely undamaged, the energy required to cause the minor damage on the wall would take priority over the kinetic energy derived from speed in this case.

Since the tier 5 results literally go against our KE standards, I think calculating the damage done to the inner cores is a much better option because we actually see what happens.

The GOAT making an amazing point

 

[Arceus0x]

Zamasu coming into a thread and spitting facts be like

 

[Kachon123]

By the way, we have a way to find Orochi's LS.

About the AP thing, he must have High 6-A, higher with Canon Gaia, he pulling energy is not the attack, it's just him pulling energy to do the attack, he had to absorb all that energy High 6-A (what ever it scales for).

It's not energyyyyyyy

 

[Kachon123]

Idk if anyone suggested this yet, but why use KE? Not only do we just slap on an assumed timeframe but the KE from the tier 5 calc would do more damage than shown.
From the KE page:

• There is a destruction/AP calculation contradicting a kinetic energy calculation. The destruction/AP calculation would take priority over the kinetic energy calculation in this case as the AP calculation would be a better proof in regards to how much damage he/she is capable of in an attack.
  • For example, if a character launches a 200kg metal ball against a common wall at Mach 300, but the wall remains largely undamaged, the energy required to cause the minor damage on the wall would take priority over the kinetic energy derived from speed in this case.

Since the tier 5 results literally go against our KE standards, I think calculating the damage done to the inner cores is a much better option because we actually see what happens.

U cute bro.

 

[USklaverei]

It's not energyyyyyyy

it was way of talking dude, mds, bummer