Lugh_Tuathe_Dé
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My bad i meant the manga chap
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One Punch Man - Low 5-B downgrades
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Yes. That is exactly what I'm saying.
WrongIdea21
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Orochi Pulled The Magma tbh
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The argument isn't that massless energy can't interact with the ground. The fact is that Thermal energy can't via heat transfer. It would take a way longer time for any noticeable damage to occur. It is not thermal energy.
I know that, but it definitely isn't thermal energy. We also see that the thing that Orochi pulled up caused displacement in the mantle and outer core, as well as the core itself. That means that something physical has had to been there to move it. It is not Orochi's tail because we see that the displacement is in the form of what Orochi dragged up.
We aren't arguing about the Gaia Cannon itself, we are talking about the pull. As I've stated what Orochi pulled caused the earthquake that exploded. That is something thermal energy can't do in that timeframe.
How is there 0 evidence when it's literally in the manga. We see that in that the core is visibly changed after Orochi extracted it, meaning that something physical was moved. here.
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Not all energy is massless but the energy that is being used here (In the new calc) is thermal energy, which is massless.
If what Orochi pulled was purely thermal energy, I have to ask does the thermal energy movement Orochi caused moves/transfer realistically? I'm not the brightest when it comes to science shit but thermal energy transfer would not behave or look like what was shown in the Orochi pull panels.
There could be arguments made to say that Orochi is pulling neither thermal energy nor magma but some other energy or that it's a mix of thermal energy and magma.
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Tbh.
WrongIdea21
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Yeah, its not just thermal Energy.
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Indeed.
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Discard the feat and let's go with At least 6-C Orochi
azontr
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Heresy.
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Leave.
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Never :3
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Even more reason to discard it
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Everybody gangsta til Saitama gets some random 5-B feat in the next few chapters
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Plot twist and Boros gets a redraw, and the CSRC becomes an actual star buster owo
azontr
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Why would they redraw the redraw...?
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Murata always does this. phoenix man vs child emperor was redrawn about 3 times
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Agree with h6a calc,that
match the current Feast
match the current Feast
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The majority seems to be on the High 6-A side, I guess
WrongIdea21
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Huh?
azontr
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English probably isn't their first language, from what I'm guessing. We probably shouldn't worry about it.
My_area
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I read it on google drive, I will send you the link in your profile.
It sure did seem like that, I have seen people say here that "it doesn't have mass so how it did shake the ground and produce earthquakes like that". Alright then its not thermal energy, anyways there was no emission of energy from heated substance but rather consistent energy orb then yeah you can say its not even thermal energy.
I wasn't replying to anyone in particular with that. Not exactly, as I have said in the argument, energy is treated in such a way that it displaced physical matter of the core while it was pushed up, so it was either certainly treated like energy used for power in other anime causing physical disturbances or that maseless energy can indeed interact with the core, hence displacing it.
And Gaia canon is result of that same energy orb which displaced the core and caused Earthquake on the surface absorbed by Orochi and released in the form of gaia canon, so they in fact are the same energy. Sure, you can say its not thermal energy but its still energy
How is energy displacing the matter in the core structure proof that 2 quintillion tons was pulled by Orochi? Something physical being moved doesn't equate to some physical mass being pulled otherwise we would see that mass when Orochi absorbed the energy, which as you can see in the scan there is no evidence for mass of such amount being pulled.
I see, fair enough.
Nah, nothing like that since thermal energy is simply energy produced by heated objects so yeah it shouldn't result in such distortions on the surface, unless heat of such magnitude could do that.
Honestly, I dont even think its thermal energy seeing as how its being treated but it is a energy not mass being pulled for sure
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The Gaia Cannon is not magma. It is not what Orochi pulled up. Orochi pulled up a part from the core, and compressed that and turned it into energy and shot it. That is what the Gaia Cannon is.
We can literally see a part of the core being pulled up. Then as a result of that, the core became deformed. People have already made this argument, so if you want to know more about it in-depth, scroll back. I'm not going to repeat what we've been saying all day.
It is part of the core.
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For now, I disagree with the downgrades.
What Orochi pulled was likely not thermal energy as the panels do not illustrate the thermal energy transfer. The pull might not have been 100% magma but 100% thermal energy is far less likely than the former.
Seeing as Orochi's main gimmick is fire and there is clear physical displacement of Earth's layers. Until I hear another suggestion on what is being pulled, I personally believe that most of what he is pulling is magma/fire.
What Orochi pulled was likely not thermal energy as the panels do not illustrate the thermal energy transfer. The pull might not have been 100% magma but 100% thermal energy is far less likely than the former.
Seeing as Orochi's main gimmick is fire and there is clear physical displacement of Earth's layers. Until I hear another suggestion on what is being pulled, I personally believe that most of what he is pulling is magma/fire.
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I agree
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Gaia canon is exactly the energy pulled up from the core, refer back to the scans. He says that he will go full power and use the energy of the Earth(energy of the core) and release it on Saitama which is what we see, gaia canon and nothing else. I didn't find any evidence that he pulled up any mass and then compress it and turned it into energy shooting gaia canon, no energy mass conversion happened. You can check the scans I listed again, nothing indicates that.
Energy from the core(white orb) was pulled from the core and it made way to the surface which caused deformation of the core and its layer, I have seen it and there isn't any supporting scan to showcase part of the core being pulled, which my argument explictly deals with it.
Doesn't seem like the case
If fire is what is being pulled, it still results in different values then what the old calculation uses so the old Low 5-B calculation wouldn't work either way
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My problem is, what energy? Like energy at least would have been drawn differently. Meanwhile it looks like the core.
Anyways here's my suggestion
Ahem
how about we get the original japanese scans and see if he actually said anything about energy? Translations get it wrong often so it might not even be energy
Anyways here's my suggestion
Ahem
how about we get the original japanese scans and see if he actually said anything about energy? Translations get it wrong often so it might not even be energy
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It looks exactly like the core of the earth. It is the same shape, drawn the same, and also it literally looks like Orochi is pulling out a part of it.
It does lol. You're just refusing to accept the obvious for some unknown reason.
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We don't even need to do that. All we have to do is look at what Murata drew did, look at what bystanders said, understand that energy that comes from the core (thermal) can't cause the explosion that it did.
My_area
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Its energy from the core, so it shouln't look so different, though I dont know what specific type of energy it is...
Sure, but the translation thread is kind of frozen so it would take too long, beside even if you leave Orochi's statement, you can still infer that its energy because of Orochi absorbing that energy and then using said energy in form of energy attack ie Gaia canon, the intent for it being energy is very clear to me, dont know why its not for other people.
Energy from core appears and drawn the same way like core is possible and sure it looks like he is pulling up portion of core, I admit it but its vs Orochi's statement, end result of energy being absorbed and then energy blast..the evidence is pointing towards energy rather than physical part of the core being pulled. Even if you want to ignore gaia canon, its still energy.
I mean you should understand by now why I disagree with the "obvious", I have listed my reasons very clearly and not "I disagree but I will not explain why" so I am surprised how the reason is unknown but regardless..
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If you don't even know what type of energy it is, why are you arguing for it? The only energy it could possibly be is thermal energy. That would be consistent with Orochi's character since he seems to be flame based, but as we know, It is not thermal energy due to reasons that I have stated earlier. Unless you can tell me what type of energy it is, then we can't use it.
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Inb4 Orochi has mass energy conversion powers
Tier 4 when
Tier 4 when
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Never
My_area
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I know its a energy based on statements and how its depicated but not the type of the energy because my knowledge on energy not being too good, so I would need to research to see how it fits, the way its treated very much mirrors how energy from which any power is derived is treated in different series. Regardless of the type of energy, it is still a energy. Type comes after we figure out whether its a energy or not
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You clearly didn't hear what I said. The only type of energy it could be is thermal energy, which doesn't work. This means that Orochi can turn magma into blasts,
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