One Punch Man Cosmology Massive upgrade

[JustANormalPerson01]

God is not going to have a profile until he does something else than just bestowing powers to others. And at that point, we'd have way more information than what we have now to determinate its tier. Anyway, I think we should do what Phoenks said:

My final opinion is that this thread should be closed and a cosmology blog shouldn't be made until the end of the blast vs void fight.

 

[BitestDust]

dragon ball didn't have that but it was still accepted as Low 1-C

Hello there
It have that when Zen-o destroyed the whole timeline(Low 1-C construction based on MWI and containing 3+1D, or 4D spaces inside. There is a page on the fandom that details the hypertimeline in the world of Dragon Ball).

 

[BitestDust]

This discussion is very interesting, but there is a question: what is the evidence for a Higher Dimension outside(or above) the Multiverse, if at this point in the story the Multiverse is shown as part of "one of the abilities" of God(which Void possesses and uses) to intervene in the Universe from a Higher Dimension(aka "intervene from outside")? We have very little information regarding this question, but so far there is no statement that the "Higher Dimension" is not the Multiverse shown, but solely by plot equals the Multiverse and the Higher Dimension. We also have no evidence of a dimension belonging specifically to God, so this all seems very strange.

All we have: Saitama's time travelling; Genos 2-3 theories; Blast "Higher Dimension" statement, and scans where Void shows that "Higher Dimension".
And about Saitama's time travel... Blast and his team are in another dimension, and Blast is able to invade even God's dimension without having the Cube with him(Since we are shown that he immediately sent the Cube he got his hands on to another dimension). The change in causality from Saitama was unknown to Blast and his team(Because if Blast's team, who were in another dimension at the time, had noticed the change, they would have notified him of the change, which we did not see). We can't say that the "Other Dimension" where Blast's team is is in the same universe, because Void told us that every universe is a dimension folded into a bubble. So the conclusion is that the change in the casualness of the universe has affected even the Higher Dimension (Multiverse), because even Blast's teammates who are in the other dimension (universe) could not notice the changes he made.

 

[Hellformer]

This discussion is very interesting, but there is a question: what is the evidence for a Higher Dimension outside(or above) the Multiverse, if at this point in the story the Multiverse is shown as part of "one of the abilities" of God(which Void possesses and uses) to intervene in the Universe from a Higher Dimension(aka "intervene from outside")? We have very little information regarding this question, but so far there is no statement that the "Higher Dimension" is not the Multiverse shown, but solely by plot equals the Multiverse and the Higher Dimension. We also have no evidence of a dimension belonging specifically to God, so this all seems very strange.

All we have: Saitama's time travelling; Genos 2-3 theories; Blast "Higher Dimension" statement, and scans where Void shows that "Higher Dimension".
And about Saitama's time travel... Blast and his team are in another dimension, and Blast is able to invade even God's dimension without having the Cube with him(Since we are shown that he immediately sent the Cube he got his hands on to another dimension). The change in causality from Saitama was unknown to Blast and his team(Because if Blast's team, who were in another dimension at the time, had noticed the change, they would have notified him of the change, which we did not see). We can't say that the "Other Dimension" where Blast's team is is in the same universe, because Void told us that every universe is a dimension folded into a bubble. So the conclusion is that the change in the casualness of the universe has affected even the Higher Dimension (Multiverse), because even Blast's teammates who are in the other dimension (universe) could not notice the changes he made.

Yeah that's why we better wait for this Arc to get over

 

[BitestDust]

Yeah that's why we better wait for this Arc to get over

Agreed! So far, it's all too vague.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I've included all my arguments in this blog and I'd like to have opinion of @Phoenks regarding this upgrade

One Punch Man Cosmology

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Im fine with 2-A, but why are we considering God's Dimension as Iow 1-C for being caIIed a higher dimension, when it can just refer to a 4-D Hyperspace, aka the Space between Space-Times, since even a 4-D Hyperspace is higher-dimensionaI with respect to a 3-D being. AIso, why are we even considering that it has its own Time Dimension?

The Hyperspace is a Void which holds the Multiverse and the place where God resides. God is said to be located in a higher dimension which ignores distance, energy and size. Since this is how Empty Void uses his Dimensional Slash which ignores distance, energy and size from a higher dimension, hence it makes sense to treat this realm same as God's dimension. The God's dimension is called a higher dimension with the image of tesseract in the background hence contextualizing that it has 4 spatial axes + 1 temporal axis thereby making it a 5-D equivalent structure.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

AIso, why are we even considering that it has its own Time Dimension?

There is not enough context, but assuming this is God's dimension, it has its own flow of time

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

There is not enough context, but assuming this is God's dimension, it has its own flow of time

Just to be clear

Having a different flow of time is not the same as having a different dimension of time

 

[King_Gorilla4002-8922]

Just to be clear

Having a different flow of time is not the same as having a different dimension of time

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One Punch Man Cosmology Massive upgrade

I think instead of separating God's Dimension we can go with this: Universe: Low 2-C Multiverse: 2-A Hyperspace which holds all the Multiverse: 2-A, Possibly Low 1-C The reason why I think this is the case because we aren't sure if God resides outside the Space which holds the Multiverse. In...

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[BitestDust]

I'd like to follow up a bit on my earlier thoughts on the presence of the God Dimension, as well as break down the tic about the Tesseract.
In general, I find it rather odd to give 5D for Hyperspace(Multiverse) due to the Tesseract being drawn, since indeed 4D can be just due to the time axis, which, judging from what was shown during the first and second Dimensional Slash, is the same for the regular Universe and for the space containing the Multiverse. To add 5D it is necessary to have one more time axis, which will exceed the time axis of the Multiverse, but according to the available information, there is simply no such thing, because even God, according to Blast's words, is located inside the "Higher Dimension", which is a Multiverse (the same as Hyperspace) due to the ability shown by Void. To give 4 spatial dimensions for the presence of Tesseract on manga pages and overlay another temporal one on top of them is strange, because 4D Tesseract can be achieved with one temporal axis and 3 spatial coordinates.
In general, if we take into account the moment with the Tesseract and judge by it, we cannot give a low 2-C level for a regular Universe, just as we cannot give such a level due to the fact that the time axis of a Multiverse = the time axis of a separate Universe (Void called it Dimension) based on the moments with the "Dimension Blade".

So i think there's 3-A Universe(Cuz it have finit size ≈ our observing Universe) and high 2-A Multiverse due to presence of additional temporal axis and infinite Universes inside separated only by spatial dimensions cuz in all that structure we have only one temporal axis. And no «God's dimension» cuz he located in Multiverse(aka Hyperspace or Higher dimension) by Blast words.
The words of Genos do not contradict this judgment, since the many-worlds interpretation is possible also in the conditions of 3+1D universe. Not to mention that Genos has put forward several theories, that is not the fact that the theory of the MWI is prioritized in this case. Also 5D with MWI possible if we have 3+1D Universes, but if Universe is just 3D, maximum we can have is 4D due to time axis.

Correct me if I'm wrong somewhere.

 

[Worthless]

You have a lot of worries and stressing too much about something very short but stated explicitly

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

There is not enough context, but assuming this is God's dimension, it has its own flow of time

oh, so it does have time. But Im pretty sure it just having a different rate of fIow of time wouId not mean its time axis extends in a different direction, at Ieast, thats what the Time axis standards on this wiki set as.

WhiIe I dont think that shouId be true, taIking about the different direction standards, but meh, its the standards here, and I'm not gonna argue against that.
But, if anyone is, for anyone looking for a chance, feeI free to use the foIIowing anaIogy I made :

Spoiler: Time Axis

we consider the Time Dimensions un-synchronous, yes, in other words, they have different flow rates, however, unlike before, even that flow rate has a finite difference, or at least, an "imaginable" amount of difference. What does that mean? It basically means a difference of like "A few hours", "A few days", "A few Months", etc., extending to years, hundreds of them, and even thousands or billions. This basically means if a billion years pass in one of the Worlds (Space-Time Continuums), only a few hours, a few days, or any amount other than "a billion years" (an exact amount) would pass in the second World w.r.t the first World.

In such a case, the Time Axes between those Worlds, while not parallel or overlapping, would also not be Orthogonal to each other. However, there is indeed the fact that if those Time Axis are independent of each other in the sense of having a different direction, even if not orthogonal, then they can qualify for additional higher Dimensions, which would be needed for those time axes to extend to.

Basically, this is because you can draw as many "Lines" on top of each other in a 1-Dimensional Plane, and all those lines would still be in the same direction, even Anti-Parallel Lines would essentially be extending in the same direction, only difference being, simply in reversed flow. Therefore, they can still be represented in a 1-D plane. This is also why in cases where there's a Multiversal construct containing many Space-Time Continuums, by default, we assume that the Time Dimension of each of those Space-Times extends in the same direction, and therefore would not qualify for an additional Higher Dimension, as there's no need for such a higher Dimension to exist for those individual temporal Dimensions to extend to.

However, what if you draw 2 lines that are non-Parallel or "completely" overlapping? This results in you requiring a 2-Dimensional Plane to contain or draw those lines, because those lines, even if intersecting, must have some "Space" between them, if they are not parallel or completely overlapping. Even if one of the lines is parallel or overlapping with the X-Axis (and thus having its Y-coordinates as 0), the second line, which is not parallel or overlapping to it, must have "some" Y-Coordinates. Resultantly, 2 such lines would always require a 2-Directional plane to represent. A graphical representation would preferably explain better, I suppose.

However, this would not extend to the need of additional Higher Dimensions for each additional Time Axis, because while two lines having different directions need a 2-D plane to be presented, infinite such lines can also be held within the same 2-D plane. We know that Time by nature is Orthogonal to Space, therefore, a Multiverse fulfilling this case must be at least 5-D, the 3-D Space of such a Multiverse would hold the Spatial Aspects of all the Space-Time Continuums it holds, whereas the latter 2-D Plane will hold all the Time Axes of those Space-Times extending in their respective direction. Resultantly, the totality of the Hyperspace would be 5-D. Additionally, in case the Hyperspace also has an overarching Time Dimension, then the Hyper Space-Time would, in this case, be 6-D on total.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

It does not need to flow in a different direction.

That place is outside the causality of the universe, with causality and time being interchangable in verse (see Saitama's time rewind/causality reversal punch), has its own time flow and 4 spatial dimension. So it'd be as whole a 5D spacetime assuming it is right

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

That place is outside the causality of the universe, with causality and time being interchangable in verse (see Saitama's time rewind/causality reversal punch), has its own time flow and 4 spatial dimension. So it'd be as whole a 5D spacetime assuming it is right

Ah, that can work, if thats the case

 

[Kuroios.0]

looks fine. I agree

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

It does not need to flow in a different direction.

That place is outside the causality of the universe, with causality and time being interchangable in verse (see Saitama's time rewind/causality reversal punch), has its own time flow and 4 spatial dimension. So it'd be as whole a 5D spacetime assuming it is right

interesting, that might be useful