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One Punch Man Cosmology Massive upgrade

Hellformer said:
I've added this explanation to the blog.

Each individual action or snapshot 't' = 2-A parallel worlds, for snapshot 't+0.1' = 2-A parallel worlds, for snapshot 't+0.01' = 2-A parallel worlds, this process goes ad infinitum considering each parallel world branches out with seperate possibility giving a total number of 2-A × 2-A × 2-A × ... ℵ0 times = ℵ0^(ℵ0) Universes which is numerically greater than ℵ1. In conclusion, each seperate action creates countless parallel worlds which would give an outcome of uncountably infinite number of 4-D universes.
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What "0.1" / "0.01" means? Tecnically "snapshot" is used to indicate every moment in time, smaller than any fraction of time, so it is "t"×2B/2A+"t"×2B/2A+ and so on (and maybe 2B/2A × 2B/2A). But still the word "action" is involved so i can't say if every "t" produces a 2B/2A brancing.
Also it says "infinitely increasing" and "countless"... so i think a 2A cosmology is solid. Many verses have this kind of cosmology and they always got 2A so i see no reason for L1C yet. As for God, i don't think L1C is right, we only have a pair of stataments, i would like more "L2C possibly L1C" for now.
 
Hellformer said:
I've added this explanation to the blog.

Each individual action or snapshot 't' = 2-A parallel worlds, for snapshot 't+0.1' = 2-A parallel worlds, for snapshot 't+0.01' = 2-A parallel worlds, this process goes ad infinitum considering each parallel world branches out with seperate possibility giving a total number of 2-A × 2-A × 2-A × ... ℵ0 times = ℵ0^(ℵ0) Universes which is numerically greater than ℵ1. In conclusion, each seperate action creates countless parallel worlds which would give an outcome of uncountably infinite number of 4-D universes.
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That's not what's happening. An individual action when performed or when a decision is made creates a split. This is a determination based cosmology, meaning there's not a 2-A a amount of worlds created every second. But a finite number generated whenever someone makes a choice. There's no aleph numbers or power sets involved with this.

Your example would only work in a cosmology with automatic timeline splits like the MCU or quantum fluxes generating alternate universes like some MWI interpretations.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
That's not what's happening. An individual action when performed or when a decision is made creates a split. This is a determination based cosmology, meaning there's not a 2-A a amount of worlds created every second. But a finite number generated whenever someone makes a choice. There's no aleph numbers or power sets involved with this.

Your example would only work in a cosmology with automatic timeline splits like the MCU or quantum fluxes generating alternate universes like some MWI interpretations.
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Genos literally states that countless parallel worlds that diverged as a result of your actions. Which would be consistent with Empty void's statement of every Parallel worlds branch out with each possibility. And since you mentioned the working of MCU, I'll quote it directly from it's Cosmology page:
"During What If...?, we are told that there are endless possibilities where a single choice can branch out into infinite realities. The Watcher states that every passing moment is a possibility for a new branching, and an article from the Marvel Website also states: "One singular moment leads to a multiverse of infinite possibilities""
This is exactly how the OPM branching has shown to function
Endless possibilities with a single choice = 2-A parallel worlds

Same process continues for each and every action = Low 1-C
 
Qawsedf234 said:
That's not what's happening. An individual action when performed or when a decision is made creates a split. This is a determination based cosmology, meaning there's not a 2-A a amount of worlds created every second. But a finite number generated whenever someone makes a choice. There's no aleph numbers or power sets involved with this.

Your example would only work in a cosmology with automatic timeline splits like the MCU or quantum fluxes generating alternate universes like some MWI interpretations.
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huh, it's not based on individual physical decisions or actions of a person. nor there is anything that implies that?
 
Berga14 said:
What "0.1" / "0.01" means? Tecnically "snapshot" is used to indicate every moment in time, smaller than any fraction of time, so it is "t"×2B/2A+"t"×2B/2A+ and so on (and maybe 2B/2A × 2B/2A). But still the word "action" is involved so i can't say if every "t" produces a 2B/2A brancing.
Also it says "infinitely increasing" and "countless"... so i think a 2A cosmology is solid. Many verses have this kind of cosmology and they always got 2A so i see no reason for L1C yet. As for God, i don't think L1C is right, we only have a pair of stataments, i would like more "L2C possibly L1C" for now.
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I'm fine with possibly Low 1-C rating
 
Hellformer said:
Genos literally states that countless parallel worlds that diverged as a result of your actions. Which would be consistent with Empty void's statement of every Parallel worlds branch out with each possibility. And since you mentioned the working of MCU, I'll quote it directly from it's Cosmology page:
"During What If...?, we are told that there are endless possibilities where a single choice can branch out into infinite realities. The Watcher states that every passing moment is a possibility for a new branching, and an article from the Marvel Website also states: "One singular moment leads to a multiverse of infinite possibilities""
This is exactly how the OPM branching has shown to function
Endless possibilities with a single choice = 2-A parallel worlds

Same process continues for each and every action = Low 1-C
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@DarkDragonMedeus @Phoenks Would this MCU analogy help you guys to agree with Low 1-C Multiverse?
 
Hellformer said:
Genos literally states that countless parallel worlds that diverged as a result of your actions.
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Which is only 2-A.

Hellformer said:
This is exactly how the OPM branching has shown to function
Endless possibilities with a single choice = 2-A parallel worlds

Same process continues for each and every action = Low 1-C
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The MCU is Low 1-C because the Timelines are 2-A as a base and then branch infinitely in every direction. OPM doesn't have either going for it.

MrTayman616 said:
huh, it's not based on individual physical decisions or actions of a person. nor there is anything that implies that?
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The OP literally quotes Genos saying that the branching points are based on someone making an action or a decision.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Which is only 2-A.
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2-A for a specific action. If we take all actions into consideration, it would be Low 1-C
Qawsedf234 said:
The MCU is Low 1-C because the Timelines are 2-A as a base and then branch infinitely in every direction. OPM doesn't have either going for it.
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Same goes for OPM,
Each specific action spawns 2-A universes. Taking Them as a whole would be Low 1-C
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Which is only 2-A.


The MCU is Low 1-C because the Timelines are 2-A as a base and then branch infinitely in every direction. OPM doesn't have either going for it.


The OP literally quotes Genos saying that the branching points are based on someone making an action or a decision.
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that's not the context of what genos's saying. genos is talking about how saitama's time travel/reversal causes it.

"The so-called parallel worlds hypothesis is based on the many-worlds interpretation. I speculate that this core might have come from one of the countless world lines that branched off due to your actions, Sensei. It’s unclear whether this phenomenon occurs at the moment the observer made a decision or when they took action, but when the teacher began time travel, a new teacher separated from the original morning teacher of that time.I’m not sure at what point the branching occurs—whether it happens when the observer makes a decision or when they take action—but when you began your time travel, a new version of you split off from the original timeline. Once the movement was complete, a phenomenon where this new version merged with the you in that timeline was observed. This suggests that the timing of the split and merge could be a clue to understanding when world line branching occurs."

"This suggests that the timing of the split and merge could be a clue to understanding when world line branching occurs"

he's not talking about how every physical decision or act creates them here. also the fact that his theory is literally based on many-worlds interpretation.
 
MrTayman616 said:
one timeline itself isnt. but they branch infinitely with each possibility. so it's like infinity^infinity i guess?
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But it isn't? Genos sayd "countless" which is accepted as 2B, but that "every possibility" is a bit weird... if there are 2 choices then only 1 new universe is formed. So are those "possibilities" a finite or infinite number, tecnically a finite number. So i think a 2B cosmology that expands infinitely is better.
 
MrTayman616 said:
one timeline itself isnt. but they branch infinitely with each possibility. so it's like infinity^infinity i guess?
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Then it’s not the same as Marvel, which does have a 2-A timeline, and when it branches infinitely it makes infinite ^ infinite or Aleph-1 on its 2-A structures, which corresponds to a low 1-C level.

In OPM you have a low 2-C timeline, which branches out infinitely creating a 2-A multiverse. So I agree with @Qawsedf234
 
MrTayman616 said:
that's not the context of what genos's saying. genos is talking about how saitama's time travel/reversal causes it.
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He literally mentions it here
I speculate that this core might have come from one of the countless world lines that branched off due to your actions, Sensei. It’s unclear whether this phenomenon occurs at the moment the observer made a decision or when they took action, but when the teacher began time travel, a new teacher separated from the original morning teacher of that time.I’m not sure at what point the branching occurs—whether it happens when the observer makes a decision or when they take action
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Genos is saying that once Saitama made a decision or took an action (in this case deciding to time travel), he caused a split in the timeline that then refused when he was done. This isn't an infinite amount of universes being generated every second. These are separate universes generated when someone makes a decision, which is a finite number multiplied an infinite amount of times. Which is just 2-A when factoring in Void's statements.
Hellformer said:
If we take all actions into consideration, it would be Low 1-C
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It would not, since that's not how you get a Aleph-1 amount of universes.
Hellformer said:
Each specific action spawns 2-A universes.
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OPM universes per your own blog is Low 2-C. So this claim is just wrong at face value.
 
Okay so from the staff votes above, can we go with this:
Each universe: Low 2-C
Multiverse: 2-A
God's dimension: 2-A, Possibly Low 1-C
@Qawsedf234 Your opinion regarding this?
 
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Qawsedf234 said:
Genos is saying that once Saitama made a decision or took an action (in this case deciding to time travel), he caused a split in the timeline that then refused when he was done. This isn't an infinite amount of universes being generated every second. These are separate universes generated when someone makes a decision, which is a finite number multiplied an infinite amount of times. Which is just 2-A when factoring in Void's statements.
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I accidently wrote that part twice :d

"The so-called parallel worlds hypothesis is based on the many-worlds interpretation. I speculate that this core might have come from one of the countless world lines that branched off due to your actions, Sensei. I’m not sure at what point the branching occurs—whether it happens when the observer makes a decision or when they take action—but when you began your time travel, a new version of you split off from the original timeline. Once the movement was complete, a phenomenon where this new version merged with the you in that timeline was observed. This suggests that the timing of the split and merge could be a clue to understanding when world line branching occurs.

Genos is talking about time travel/reversal here. genos accepts the movement as from the start to the end of the time travel.

"Once the movement was complete, a phenomenon where this new version merged with the you in that timeline was observed."

"whether it happens when the 'observer' makes a decision or when they take action" the observer is the person who's time travelling and it's about their decision or action, not the usual every random person or existence and their physical acts.

saitama's time reversal causes a different situation than normal. genos is not talking about how world lines branch normally but what saitama's time reversal caused.
 
Hellformer said:
Okay so from the staff votes above, can we go with this:
Each universe: Low 2-C
Multiverse: 2-A
God's dimension: 2-A, Possibly Low 1-C
@Qawsedf234 Your opinion regarding this?
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Sure I guess. But even if accepted the cosmology would need to be adjusted when the newer chapters come out.
 
Berga14 said:
Well, "possible" is the maximun stretch. But with so little info i don't think we should have a tier it, for now.
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Exactly, I don't think it should be anything unless we actually see this dimension and have more context, that's how its always been, putting it in "possibly low 1-C" isn't right imo. Just from a single statement which has zero further elaboration.
 
TiltedFN said:
Exactly, I don't think it should be anything unless we actually see this dimension and have more context, that's how its always been, putting it in "possibly low 1-C" isn't right imo. Just from a single statement which has zero further elaboration.
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The space that holds the infinitely branching universe and exists beyond /outside the causality of the multiverse is the same higher dimension that Blast was talking about. The Op didn't include the scan probably because he thought everyone already knows it.
 
I think instead of separating God's Dimension we can go with this:
Universe: Low 2-C
Multiverse: 2-A
Hyperspace which holds all the Multiverse:
2-A, Possibly Low 1-C

The reason why I think this is the case because we aren't sure if God resides outside the Space which holds the Multiverse. In conclusion we go with God residing somewhere in this Hyperspace.
 
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Worthless said:
The space that holds the infinitely branching universe and exists beyond /outside the causality of the multiverse is the same higher dimension that Blast was talking about. The Op didn't include the scan probably because he thought everyone already knows it.
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Okay, but how exactly is that 5D? It can be 5D, but it can't be low 1-C because there is literally nothing special about that space, there's no statements of it being infinite in the 5th axis. We don't give out low 1-C for characters that can destroy multiple universes, or low 1-C cosmology for verses that have an established multiverse. Its literally the standards, or every verse would be low 1-C that has at least two low 2-C constructs. So is gods dimension the place where void was or not?
 
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