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We have a feat at Mach 1192 and other feat at 0.57c with WoG supporting the evidence that this is actually possible. So how are three reaction speed feats closer to the former feat all outliers that I am deliberately hiding?
First is just another reaction speed, second is from top tier of the verse, who are dozens of times stronger than these characters. I don't know why top tier feats are being used for justification, when discussing mid tier characters.
WoG statement applies to his logia body, which I am not against. I am against chalking any of his random movements as LS because "muh light fruit" . As for databook entry
"A light man who consumed the pika pika no mi - Light fruit
Kizaru can turn his body to light and can spam attacks at light speed"
Clearly referring to his attacks, aka laser beams. On which it continues
"He releases a infinite number of light bullets frontwards. It's very efficient for blinding and attacking a large amount of enemies at once.
His ability is very effective for both evasion and movement, so it's impossible to grasp even a single of his movements without being a proficient Haki user."
Even in DB which is the entire basis of this feats, it is blatantly mentioned you cannot grasp any of his movements without being a proficient haki user. Note not eve just haki user, a proficient haki user.
And here you are, making calcs on characters who do not even know haki usage. But they can "react" to him for some reason.
Which is why Supernova feats are hiding the outlier. You know they cannot react to kizaru whatsoever, but you chose a movement (which is clearly not drawn with the intent of speed) and get inflated result from it. Eyeball changing, exclaimation marks. these are narrative tools used to indicate the movement speed of their opponent. It is not to be taken literal, as no author's intention is to show speed in those instances
I considered just the movement, not the kick actually. I can totally dismiss the second head movement for all I care. The result would still be MHS+. This part is half right, because I didn't considered the distance between them when the second head movement started.
Well you can do anything you want and I would not really care about it, just that it would be factually incorrect. You dont get to chose one feat and discard second when both are happening literally one after another. That is just you chosing whatever that fits your narrative and discarding anything that goes against it, ergo you are just trying to hide an outlier
Look, I'm not going to look for scans I have in another PC I have no access just to prove it. Go look the calcs where the scans are. I also would like you bringing the scans supporting these claims.
Okay, this is shifting the burden on me, when it is your job to prove this. Also, chill with the tone. Could have at least mentioned chapter numbers if it is too much of a task for you to attach scans which support your case
First of all, Kizaru's weakness has never been mentioned before in canon. It's just how we apply physics to his logia and his fruit works just as any other fruit works.
It is not spoonfed, but it is explained what it is. Not everything needs to be spoonfed, it is understood he cannot change his direction otherwise Yata no Kagami is a useless technique.
1) Because light cannot go at a slower speed.
When did I say that? This is just a terrible strawman. My arguement was why would kizaru use lightspeed movements on fodders
2) This would imply that his light has some sort of physical effect which isn't the case. This is a thing that has never been mentioned neither for Kizaru nor in any other Logia user.
Its .... not something that needs to be spoonfed really. This is just my observation based on its showings, which makes the most sense
Either way, it is shown on panel his kicks form an arc. Whether you go by my explaination (2nd point) or not, his kicks are not supposed to be light speed.
Only when he transforms his body or parts of body into light, he achieves light speed. And his lasers travel at sol too
Which, again, makes marco's and Rayliegh's feat acceptable.
First is just another reaction speed, second is from top tier of the verse, who are dozens of times stronger than these characters. I don't know why top tier feats are being used for justification, when discussing mid tier characters.
WoG statement applies to his logia body, which I am not against. I am against chalking any of his random movements as LS because "muh light fruit" . As for databook entry
"A light man who consumed the pika pika no mi - Light fruit
Kizaru can turn his body to light and can spam attacks at light speed"
Clearly referring to his attacks, aka laser beams. On which it continues
"He releases a infinite number of light bullets frontwards. It's very efficient for blinding and attacking a large amount of enemies at once.
His ability is very effective for both evasion and movement, so it's impossible to grasp even a single of his movements without being a proficient Haki user."
Even in DB which is the entire basis of this feats, it is blatantly mentioned you cannot grasp any of his movements without being a proficient haki user. Note not eve just haki user, a proficient haki user.
And here you are, making calcs on characters who do not even know haki usage. But they can "react" to him for some reason.
Which is why Supernova feats are hiding the outlier. You know they cannot react to kizaru whatsoever, but you chose a movement (which is clearly not drawn with the intent of speed) and get inflated result from it. Eyeball changing, exclaimation marks. these are narrative tools used to indicate the movement speed of their opponent. It is not to be taken literal, as no author's intention is to show speed in those instances
I considered just the movement, not the kick actually. I can totally dismiss the second head movement for all I care. The result would still be MHS+. This part is half right, because I didn't considered the distance between them when the second head movement started.
Well you can do anything you want and I would not really care about it, just that it would be factually incorrect. You dont get to chose one feat and discard second when both are happening literally one after another. That is just you chosing whatever that fits your narrative and discarding anything that goes against it, ergo you are just trying to hide an outlier
Look, I'm not going to look for scans I have in another PC I have no access just to prove it. Go look the calcs where the scans are. I also would like you bringing the scans supporting these claims.
Okay, this is shifting the burden on me, when it is your job to prove this. Also, chill with the tone. Could have at least mentioned chapter numbers if it is too much of a task for you to attach scans which support your case
First of all, Kizaru's weakness has never been mentioned before in canon. It's just how we apply physics to his logia and his fruit works just as any other fruit works.
It is not spoonfed, but it is explained what it is. Not everything needs to be spoonfed, it is understood he cannot change his direction otherwise Yata no Kagami is a useless technique.
1) Because light cannot go at a slower speed.
When did I say that? This is just a terrible strawman. My arguement was why would kizaru use lightspeed movements on fodders
2) This would imply that his light has some sort of physical effect which isn't the case. This is a thing that has never been mentioned neither for Kizaru nor in any other Logia user.
Its .... not something that needs to be spoonfed really. This is just my observation based on its showings, which makes the most sense
Either way, it is shown on panel his kicks form an arc. Whether you go by my explaination (2nd point) or not, his kicks are not supposed to be light speed.
Only when he transforms his body or parts of body into light, he achieves light speed. And his lasers travel at sol too
Which, again, makes marco's and Rayliegh's feat acceptable.
