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one piece speed downgrade

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Avaritia_603 said:
Any reason?
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KingTempest said:
On top of that, regarding "not being photonic", the lasers are blatantly comprised of electromagnetic energy, which is lightspeed by default.

And all the statements of Kizaru's blatant lightspeed really smack this. It doesn't matter the criteria if it's stated to be lightspeed. If it's stated to be lightspeed, it can be full of mass, it can be cold, it could be a brick wall, but if it's stated to be lightspeed then it immediately works.
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I'm agree with KingTempest
 
Vzearr said:
Yeah no, yall are not refuting the OP at all I'm genuinely flabbergasted at this performance from OP fans. Eh, it is typical though, iirc. HST fans cannot debate and resort to insults, which should be handled.
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You. Stop. Now.

In general: the thread is quickly being reduced to insult-tossing. I don't give a shit about the verse but I give a shit about the rules being followed. I have low tolerance for the situation at hand. Knock it off.
 
While I'm here. Can I be given a list of statements supporting FTL? I suppose it shall fall to me to evaluate, despite my HST embargo.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
While I'm here. Can I be given a list of statements supporting FTL? I suppose it shall fall to me to evaluate, despite my HST embargo.
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There's a lot more, but I have limited resources at the moment. I'll send more when I have access to my laptop


Also, for reference, this thread is asking for proof that Kizaru moves at the the speed of light to begin with.
 
Avaritia_603 said:
Another point is with kizaru, since hes basically the pinnacle of light attacks in op debunking his light should have the most effect, in this panel kizaru says hes accelerating while in his light movement form, not only does light not accelerate but it cannot because it is massless, as light the moment it comes into existence is traveling at the sol.
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The OP's arguments are very suspect; they start off by outlining that they want to have the most effect on the verse by debunking Kizaru's speed specifically.

But even ignoring their motivations, their argument doesn't hold up. Light in fiction can absolutely accelerate and be FTL if the writer decides it does.
 
SlendVeny said:
The massive array of information contradicting your "points"

They literally said their reason wdym

This would be something you could say if the only evidence was character statements.
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There hasn't been anything contradicting anything
 
Damage3245 said:
The OP's arguments are very suspect; they start off by outlining that they want to have the most effect on the verse by debunking Kizaru's speed specifically.

But even ignoring their motivations, their argument doesn't hold up. Light in fiction can absolutely accelerate and be FTL if the writer decides it does.
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Yeah not photonic light
 
KingTempest said:
Alright let's go through it then

First of all, the logic of the lasers is not just because it's photonic. It's because it's lasers made to mimic the lasers of someone else who fulfill qualities of lightspeed lasers and they (the other individual) also have statements of being lightspeed.

The lasers are made out of the same material as Kizaru, who is stated to be lightspeed. He generates lightspeed lasers and moves at lightspeed due to the nature of his fruit and the many statements of it from the manga, Databook Blue Deep, The Vivre Cards, and Oda himself about Kizaru. With all of this, all of his light techniques with velocity move at a set speed, the speed of light.

Kizaru has this. The lasers were modeled directly off of Kizaru based on studying Kizaru and the science behind his beams. Understanding concepts such as electromagnetic radiation and diving so deep into the concepts of photons to where he produced tools able to make physical contact with holograms.

Second of all, your entire argument is based off of a fallacious hyperscientific argument regarding lasers burning everything in the air. We don't do that much work. Lasers are allowed to explode on this wiki based on certain criteria and we have followed that criteria to a T.

I'll bold everything that the lasers from Kizaru, the Pacifista, Franky, Queen, etc. share.

The beams behave in a reasonably realistic way. It's stated to move at the speed of light.

So shame on those who agreed to this headache of a thread for no reason, especially Captain "are we serious?" the ex calc mod who doesn't know the basic calc rules
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Pretty case-closed to me.
 
KingTempest said:
Alright let's go through it then

First of all, the logic of the lasers is not just because it's photonic. It's because it's lasers made to mimic the lasers of someone else who fulfill qualities of lightspeed lasers and they (the other individual) also have statements of being lightspeed.

The lasers are made out of the same material as Kizaru, who is stated to be lightspeed. He generates lightspeed lasers and moves at lightspeed due to the nature of his fruit and the many statements of it from the manga, Databook Blue Deep, The Vivre Cards, and Oda himself about Kizaru. With all of this, all of his light techniques with velocity move at a set speed, the speed of light.

Kizaru has this. The lasers were modeled directly off of Kizaru based on studying Kizaru and the science behind his beams. Understanding concepts such as electromagnetic radiation and diving so deep into the concepts of photons to where he produced tools able to make physical contact with holograms.

Second of all, your entire argument is based off of a fallacious hyperscientific argument regarding lasers burning everything in the air. We don't do that much work. Lasers are allowed to explode on this wiki based on certain criteria and we have followed that criteria to a T.

I'll bold everything that the lasers from Kizaru, the Pacifista, Franky, Queen, etc. share.

The beams behave in a reasonably realistic way. It's stated to move at the speed of light.

So shame on those who agreed to this headache of a thread for no reason, especially Captain "are we serious?" the ex calc mod who doesn't know the basic calc rules
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To add to this, if a verse states something is lightspeed, it is lightspeed, flat out. End of story, goodbye, the end.

When a speed statement is made, nothing else can possibly disqualify it aside from actual legitimate anti-feats (And even then those are not for the actual speed statements in question but moreso for other unrelated feats). None of this "This doesn't burn air" nonsense flies the moment you have an actual speed statement. Fiction is fiction, it can do whatever the hell it wants and we have to come to terms with it. I am sorry but that's how it is.

Disagree with OP, they seem to be arguing from incredulity.
 
Agree: 0

Disagree: 5 (possibly 6) - Me, KingTempest, LephyrTheRevanchist, Reiner04, Nierre (Possibly, as per here, but looks like an Agree, I'll wait for them to respond), Damage3245

I think that's more than enough to consider this rejected (And rejected threads are not allowed grace and will be closed outright as per the rules), but if we need more staff members, let me know, I'll tag them.

Tagging @Nierre for now to get full clarification on where they stand on this.
 
Yeah, this seems to be a pretty blatant case of OP deciding it Kizaru, and by extension One Piece, isn't lightspeed and trying to work back from that. And Tempest already said everything that needed to be said about the validity of the feats themselves. Disagree.
 
KLOL506 said:
To add to this, if a verse states something is lightspeed, it is lightspeed, flat out. End of story, goodbye, the end.

When a speed statement is made, nothing else can possibly disqualify it aside from actual legitimate anti-feats (And even then those are not for the actual speed statements in question but moreso for other unrelated feats). None of this "This doesn't burn air" nonsense flies the moment you have an actual speed statement. Fiction is fiction, it can do whatever the hell it wants and we have to come to terms with it. I am sorry but that's how it is.

Disagree with OP, they seem to be arguing from incredulity.
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Not precisely case closed, since it's a frequently invoked term for flowery language and hyperbole. Still, I agree that in this case, it seems more likely to be true than not (although I don't think the body of evidence in that Imgur dump is necessarily airtight, I think it stands up to the scrutiny of the OP).

I disagree with the OP for now, the speed rating is fine.
 
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